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[04:49] <secoif> can I assume the order of MGET results is the same order as the keys supplied to it?
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[04:58] <ScottKevill> secoif: Yes.
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[05:10] <secoif> ScottKevill excellent. thanks
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[05:16] <ScottKevill> secoif: Experiment in the interactive console in the documentation page for each command.
[05:16] <ScottKevill> (eg. http://redis.io/commands/mget )
[05:16] <secoif> ScottKevill sure, I saw that it was in order, but I wasn't sure if that was guaranteed
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[11:24] <teebes> Hello, I'm getting 'zmalloc: Out of memory trying to allocate 12 bytes' right after starting the server but I have 15 gigs of free RAM on the server, any pointers as to how I could troubleshoot this?
[11:24] <teebes> I don't have memory limits set in redis.conf
[11:25] <anydot> selinux, ulimits, anything like that?
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[11:25] <teebes> I don't know what selinux is but definitely no ulimits
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[11:29] <jluedke_> can anyone point me at some good documentation on how redis expires keys when the store is full
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[11:42] <teebes> More on the memory topic, I see total Ram usage going up quite a bit whenever Redis does an RDB save, but that memory doesn't get released unless I manually tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches.
[11:43] <teebes> Is there a setting I'm missing somewhere? or does that sound like an OS level issue?
[11:43] <anydot> btw, how large is your redis dataset?
[11:43] <teebes> just a little bit over 4 gigs at the moment
[11:44] <teebes> and using AOF was also causing those memory issues, only worse, and Redis would segfault and corrupt the AOF file and then I couldn't start it back up
[11:44] <anydot> Then saving rdb etc shouldn't be problem with 15Gigs of free mem.
[11:44] <teebes> I agree :)
[11:44] <anydot> That's weird.
[11:44] <anydot> What version of redis are we talking about?
[11:44] <teebes> 2.4.6
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[11:56] <jluedke_> ahh looks like that might be handled in freeMemoryIfNeeded() ?
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[11:58] <hampusw> jluedke_: yep, indeed. see the cron function too.
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[11:59] <hampusw> jluedke_: keys are deleted from memory either when accessed (and expired). it also tests a few at random, periodically. IIRC.
[11:59] <pietern> teebes: you do have set overcommit to 1
[11:59] <teebes> pietern: I do
[12:00] <jluedke_> ahh cool i think i found my problem
[12:00] <jluedke_> 11) "maxmemory-policy"
[12:00] <jluedke_> 12) "volatile-lru"
[12:00] <jluedke_> think i want REDIS_MAXMEMORY_VOLATILE_TTL
[12:01] <jluedke_> looks like that will expire keys base on shortest ttl
[12:02] <hampusw> teebes: that the OS caches data written to the disk (when there is RAM available for that) shouldn't be much of a problem.
[12:02] <hampusw> teebes: that it can't allocate memory sure is weird, though.
[12:03] <teebes> the problem seems not quite as bad when I switch to RDB. In AOF though it's basically unusable, the server stays up for a couple minutes and then crashes.
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[12:05] <teebes> I have a few segfault traces too if it helps https://gist.github.com/35ca1f0a3542d04ce9be
[12:06] <anydot> [16268] 23 Jan 14:05:58 # Failed assertion: <no assertion failed> (<no file>:0)
[12:06] <anydot> That is wery weird!
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[12:08] <anydot> teebes: Is this 64bit redis?
[12:08] <teebes> anydot: how do I tell? I got it from http://redis.googlecode.com/files/redis-2.4.6.tar.gz
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[12:08] <teebes> the box is definitely 64 bit
[12:09] <anydot> ok, so then (probably) yes
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[12:09] <anydot> arch_bits:32
[12:09] <anydot> teebes: Didn't you compile redis on 32bit machine?
[12:09] <hampusw> anydot: nice
[12:09] <teebes> hmmmm
[12:10] <hampusw> explains it all very well :)
[12:10] <teebes> anydot: I compiled it on a 64 bit machine
[12:10] <anydot> You sure? what "file redis-server" give you?
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[12:11] <anydot> And what "uname -a" says?
[12:12] <teebes> innnteresting
[12:12] <teebes> redis-server: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped
[12:12] <teebes> but
[12:12] <teebes> Linux ash3 3.0.4-x86_64-linode21 #1 SMP Thu Sep 1 21:28:01 EDT 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:12] <teebes> and I totally compiled it on that box
[12:12] <anydot> So, there's your problem (most probably) :-)
[12:12] <teebes> anydot: very nice find though, thank you so much. So should I just re-make?
[12:13] <hampusw> teebes: it is possible to compile 32-bit on a 64-bit system. you used default settings (just make)?
[12:13] <anydot> make distclean && make
[12:13] <teebes> hampusw: I think I just used `make` yeah, which defaults to 64 right?
[12:14] <hampusw> ah, yeah. cleaning first is a good idea.
[12:14] <hampusw> teebes: yeah, should do (unless your system has weird configurations). could perhaps be that you compiled 32-bit earlier and didn't run make clean between? not sure how that works...
[12:15] <hampusw> teebes: do what anydot said ;)
[12:16] <teebes> hampusw, anydot: going to give it a try, thanks so much for spending your time to look into this, total life savers :) this would make sense as the memory was at 4129326424, which should be right around the 32-bit limit
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[12:16] <hampusw> thank anydot in particular. didn't think about that straight away this time for some reason. almost surely is the reason.
[12:22] <jluedke_> hampusw: are you talking about activeExpireCycle re cron comment
[12:22] <teebes> anydot: did make clean && make, but it rebuilt to 32 again. The makefile reads TARGETS=32bit noopt test (also on https://github.com/antirez/redis/blob/2.4.6/Makefile), is that right?
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[12:24] <hampusw> jluedke_: yep. called from serverCron().
[12:24] <jluedke_> looks like that usees ttl
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[12:25] <jluedke_> (he)->v.s64
[12:27] <jluedke_> just want to make sure if i flip to volatile-ttl that the cron does not hose me
[12:27] <hampusw> yeah, think so. was some time since I looked at it. memory-related expiration is probably (only) in the function you mentioned above.
[12:29] <anydot> teebes: That's ok, 32bit is just makefile target for forcing 32bit builds on 64bit machines.
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[12:29] <anydot> teebes: ok, just asking, don't you have 32bit userspace with 64bit kernel?
[12:30] <anydot> teebes: What's output of "file /bin/ls"?
[12:30] <teebes> anydot: right again... /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[12:31] <jluedke_> cool yeah looks like the v.s64 is a expire
[12:31] <jluedke_> thanks
[12:31] <hampusw> interesting. good job, anydot ;)
[12:32] <teebes> so it looks like Linode compiled the kernel in 64 bit but the OS in 32
[12:32] <teebes> anydot: great catch again, thank you...
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[12:36] <hampusw> teebes: linode is good. you can easily configure it to boot with a 32-bit kernel instead, if you want.
[12:37] <hampusw> teebes: not that it would help with this, though.
[12:39] <anydot> teebes: Well, now you have two options, 1/ you are fine with at most ~4GiB per redis server process (you can still run multiple redis instances), 2/ use 64bit kernel you have with 64bit userspace and than redis will be able to use all the memory, 3/ there's no 3 :-)
[12:40] <hampusw> agree. probably safest to install a 64-bit system.
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[12:42] <jluedke_> anyone fooled around with cranking maxmemory-samples up?
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[12:44] <teebes> anydot: I think I'll rebuild to 64, transfer the DBs around, much safer. But good point about running multiple 32 bit instance, I'll keep that in mind if I run into this again!
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[14:00] <issackelly> I'm trying to setup a master and two slaves, but I think I'm missing some important detail or understanding… https://gist.github.com/8d8ab0d672329002e161
[14:00] <issackelly> the slaves aren't getting data from the masters, but the SLAVEOF command returns "OK"
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[14:38] <jluedke_> hum REDIS_EXPIRELOOKUPS_PER_CRON is not configurable?
[14:39] <jluedke_> oh i think i see why
[14:39] <jluedke_> only continutes to expire stuff if it is 25% expired keys
[14:40] <jluedke_> still 10 is a small sample size
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[15:17] <dschn> storing 50k lists (1-900 items each) in 70mb ziplists ftw
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[16:19] <teebes> thanks again for all the help anydot
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[18:39] <codepython777> can i run redis on an imap port (thats the one thats empty on my machine and open :) )
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[19:49] <mattbillenstein> I would not expose redis to the world wide web at large if that's what you mean — it doesn't materially matter what port you run it on as long as you can connect from the client
[19:51] <codepython777> mattbillenstein: so its not good to expose it to multiple clients on the web? only connect to it from localhost?
[19:52] <mattbillenstein> I connect to it on my private network — not on a publicly accessible ip
[19:54] <codepython777> whats the problem? authentication system is not good on redis yet?
[19:54] <mattbillenstein> I dunno, just not best practice hanging your db out on the wild wild web
[19:55] <codepython777> as long as the auth is good, people hang their personal email on WWW. This is just a db :)
[19:56] <mattbillenstein> once bots find an open port out there, they're going to start throwing all sorts of weird crap at it — it's not something worth worrying about IMO
[19:56] <codepython777> well i'm sure bots throw a lot of crap at gmail/amazon/... ip blocking i guess + auth should do it?
[19:57] <mattbillenstein> yeah, that's all http servers tho — that sorta thing is expected — none of these guys have their databases configured this way
[19:58] <mattbillenstein> like, it's technically possible - do what you want - but IMO, it's bad practice
[19:59] <codepython777> I've heard that -- and i think its bad design if this is not allowed :)
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[20:27] <jimbo_> hi
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[20:29] <jimbo_> i get problem my redis contain unkown key , the keyname start with "string:xxxxx" and the key value is xxxxxxxxxx, when i check the timelive it return -1. can somebody tell me
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[22:33] <jimbo__> hello
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