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[04:18] <Sembiance> :)
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[06:30] <Chang> hi
[06:32] <Sembiance> hi Chang
[06:33] <Chang> hi Sembiance
[06:34] <Chang> i have a question about redis is this the right place here for this?
[06:34] <Sembiance> sure is, ask away
[06:34] <Chang> i'm using redis together with java to access redis with java i use jedis
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[06:35] <Chang> when i use a transaction and execute the transaction with exec()
[06:35] <Chang> i don't know how to interpret the result, which is of type List<Object>
[06:36] <Chang> and i tested the transaction with the debugger and it didn't word the way i thought
[06:37] <Chang> word = work
[06:38] <Chang> in the db i hava some keys which i observe using watch()
[06:39] <Chang> when i use the debugger to stop my program before the exec() call and increment one of the watched keys the exec call gets executed
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[06:44] <Sembiance> Chang: sorry, was AFK there
[06:45] <Chang> ok i don't know if the question is clear
[06:46] <Sembiance> Chang: I've never used jedis, so I'm not sure what types of results it returns for various queries. When you pause in the debugger and examine the List object directly, what is it's contents?
[06:47] <Chang> the List exists until the call to exec() and make a break before this call
[06:48] <Sembiance> Change: here is some sample code for jedis using multi/exec: https://github.com/xetorthio/jedis/blob/master/src/test/java/redis/clients/jedis/tests/commands/TransactionCommandsTest.java
[06:48] <Chang> my desired behaviour would be that exec() does not gets executed after manipulating one of the changed keys
[06:48] <Sembiance> Chang: line 198 maybe has the answers you seek?
[06:49] <Chang> thanks i have to take a look at this
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[06:49] <Chang> changed keys = watched keys
[06:51] <Sembiance> Chang: whenever I find myself confused with how to use a particular library or API, I also try to seek out example code. First I look to see if the library/API has any test code, in this case they do. Second I will use code search engines to find real life examples of people using the code (http://www.symbolhound.com/codesearch/ http://code.google.com/codesearch http://koders.com/ https://github.com/search)
[06:54] <Chang> ok thanks sembiance i will take a look
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[07:49] <jjflash> Hi!
[07:52] <jjflash> I'm just starting with redis (using it with node.js) and I'm testing the pub/sub notification system... my test project is a realtime environment monitor (temperature/humidity,etc). I have a doubt, since i've at least 200 variables that can be notified to clients,is it a good policy to create a SUBSCRIPTION for each variable?
[07:53] <jjflash> I can't find any documentation and/or example regarding this :(U
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[07:56] <jjflash> any alive human being here? :)
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[07:56] <pietern> jjflash: I am a bot, will that do?
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[07:57] <jjflash> Enough for me if you can help :D
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[07:59] <ScottKevill> Ahh pietern.. I've been hoping you'd turn up while I'm around.
[08:00] <pietern> what's up?
[08:00] <ScottKevill> I've been deep in the guts of hiredis again.
[08:01] <ScottKevill> On async vs blocking general usability and other issues. Also found what looks like a nasty bug.
[08:04] <pietern> ScottKevill: ok
[08:04] <pietern> ScottKevill: fyi, I've been working on a v12
[08:04] <pietern> *v2
[08:05] <pietern> it's not done yet, but a sneak peek is available in "ng" branch on github..
[08:05] <pietern> haven't announced it or anything,
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[08:05] <ScottKevill> I did take a brief glance at that, but it was hard to get an overview picture.
[08:05] <pietern> but if you have usability problems, I'd love to hear about them so I can address them
[08:05] <ScottKevill> Sure.
[08:05] <ScottKevill> Firstly the bug in net.c.
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[08:06] <ScottKevill> redisContextWaitReady uses select() to wait on the fd.
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[08:06] <pietern> yes
[08:06] <anrxc> hello, i'm trying to find something like a whitepaper explaining redis replication implementation... i'd like to understand the process of syncing up with the master after a prolonged downtime, and re-slaving to a new master
[08:06] <ScottKevill> That's going to be a problem for any client that's not already using select() and happens to have a ton of fds already allocated.
[08:07] <ScottKevill> Worse, they might not discover it right away.
[08:07] <pietern> ScottKevill: right
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[08:07] <anrxc> primarily what happens to incoming connections during this time, how they are handled, are they processed
[08:07] <ScottKevill> Not for performance reasons, but simply because it won't fit in the fd_set.
[08:07] <pietern> ScottKevill: an assert on the fd would be step 1 there
[08:08] <pietern> but doesn't solve the issue long term
[08:08] <ScottKevill> poll() is ideal for that.
[08:08] <pietern> did you run into this?
[08:08] <ScottKevill> poll() doesn't care what the magnitude of the fd is.
[08:08] <ScottKevill> (Unless it's implemented on the platform via emulation with select)
[08:09] <pietern> that's a good point
[08:09] <ScottKevill> Nope, but it jumped out at me.
[08:09] <pietern> I'll put in an assert in there for now (in the ng branch) and file an issue
[08:10] <ScottKevill> Okay, this one is not a bug, but should improve performance..
[08:10] <ScottKevill> redisGetReply has two separate loops.
[08:11] <ScottKevill> First it attempts to write the entire buffer, and then it attempts to read a reply.
[08:11] <pietern> ScottKevill: yep
[08:11] <ScottKevill> It really only needs to write as much as it needs to.
[08:11] <pietern> since there is no way to tell one request from another in the current implementation
[08:11] <ScottKevill> Otherwise a long pipeline will stall the read.
[08:11] <pietern> ScottKevill: that's right
[08:12] <ScottKevill> The solution should be simply to put the write and read in the same loop.
[08:12] <ScottKevill> Combine the two loops as is.
[08:12] <pietern> write a bit, try to read
[08:12] <pietern> until read returns something
[08:12] <ScottKevill> Yes.
[08:12] <pietern> makes sense, thanks
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[08:13] <pietern> though that does require extra bookkeeping to minimize the number of syscalls
[08:13] <pietern> otherwise you end up doing an empty read before every first write
[08:13] <pietern> where instead you could just as well write initially
[08:14] <pietern> or.. always write+read
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[08:14] <pietern> should be fine as well
[08:14] <pietern> thanks for the idea
[08:14] <ScottKevill> It would be always write+read.
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[08:14] <ScottKevill> Keep the order the same.
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[08:14] <ScottKevill> The while (!wdone) body would go inside the while (aux == NULL) loop at the beginning.
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[08:15] <ScottKevill> And would change to if (!wdone) { if (redisBufferWrite)..... }
[08:15] <pietern> yep
[08:15] <pietern> makes a lot of sense
[08:15] <pietern> did you wrap that up as a patch?
[08:15] <pietern> we can move that into the current hiredis, and I'll adapt for ng
[08:15] <ScottKevill> I didn't change it because I hadn't needed that (I ended up going all async with a wrapper).
[08:16] <pietern> ok
[08:16] <ScottKevill> What I did need to change were a couple of places..
[08:16] <ScottKevill> Hacky, but I needed __redisAsyncCommand() non-static.
[08:17] <pietern> yeah the async api is not too pretty
[08:17] <ScottKevill> Because there are the very useful functions redisFormatCommand(), but no way to feed that back into hiredis as a command.
[08:18] <pietern> ScottKevill: yep, the problem with exposing that is that it may mess up the callback ordering
[08:18] <pietern> when e.g. 2 commands are sent in one chunk
[08:18] <pietern> so better not expose it by default is the reasoning
[08:19] <ScottKevill> Is that if the user concatenates two text formatted commands?
[08:19] <pietern> yep
[08:19] <pietern> no way to pass 2 callbacks to that function if it was there
[08:19] <ScottKevill> Okay, I've never used htat.
[08:19] <ScottKevill> that.
[08:19] <pietern> at least..
[08:19] <ScottKevill> Would a compromise be non-static, but not in the header?
[08:19] <pietern> in a usable way
[08:19] <pietern> ScottKevill: so you want to feed raw data to the async driver?
[08:20] <pietern> why not use the redisAsyncCommand formatter?
[08:20] <pietern> (brb)
[08:20] <ScottKevill> Yeah, I needed to, to deal with disconnects.
[08:21] <ScottKevill> Essentially, to make the API a lot more usable, I needed an automatic way of dealing with disconnections where the any un-acknowledged commands would be resubmitted.
[08:21] <ScottKevill> I previously handled that by just using the blocking API. Since it was only ever one command at a time, that disconnection/reconnection/resend scenario was easy.
[08:22] <ScottKevill> But of course, it's blocking when 99% of the time it doesn't need to.
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[08:23] <pietern> ScottKevill: and you want to buffer the formatted commands
[08:23] <pietern> I see
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[08:23] <pietern> I believe I found an abstraction that would work there
[08:23] <ScottKevill> Yeah, I wrapped async hiredis with a command request queue.
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[08:23] <pietern> something like this? https://github.com/antirez/hiredis/blob/ng/request.h
[08:23] <ScottKevill> It's not ideal because it means extra mem copying.
[08:23] <ScottKevill> And I did see that you had a queuing system in ng.
[08:24] <ScottKevill> Ideal would not be to use a string buffer at all.
[08:24] <pietern> clearly, you want feedback to the callbacks whether or not the request was a) partially written, b) fully written, c) received
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[08:24] <pietern> ScottKevill: right, and only a "request" abstraction
[08:24] <ScottKevill> a) and b) aren't really useful to distinguish.
[08:24] <pietern> with an optional void* to anything you need to assess if resubmission is required
[08:24] <pietern> ScottKevill: when a) you know the server didn't receive the command, so couldn't have executed it
[08:25] <pietern> when b) you know the server MAY have received the full command,
[08:25] <pietern> and MAY have executed it
[08:25] <ScottKevill> A client can't tell the difference between a request that hasn't been sent, and a request that has executed on the server but hasn't been acknowledged.
[08:25] <pietern> ScottKevill: the difference lies in writes
[08:26] <pietern> if you INCR foo, you know you need to resubmit on a), but maybe need to check some precondition on b)
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[08:26] <pietern> ScottKevill: with partially written, I mean partially written from the client's point of view
[08:26] <ScottKevill> I simplified my situation by leaving idempotence up to the client.
[08:27] <pietern> sure, the client is responsible for resubmitting in the end,
[08:27] <pietern> e.g.: the callback is triggered with some status,
[08:27] <pietern> and based on that status the request can be re-queued for the new connection
[08:27] <ScottKevill> I mean in terms of "at least once" semantics being okay.
[08:27] <pietern> or not
[08:28] <pietern> right
[08:28] <pietern> do you have code you can share?
[08:28] <ScottKevill> I can probably clean it up a bit.
[08:28] <ScottKevill> It has some useful features.
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[08:29] <ScottKevill> Such as being able to "sync" an async connection.
[08:29] <pietern> ScottKevill: it would be cool to see if things can be pulled into hiredis itself
[08:29] <pietern> can you ping me at pcnoordhuis@gmail.com ?
[08:29] <pietern> if have to go do something else now
[08:30] <ScottKevill> Sure.
[08:30] <pietern> fun talking with you
[08:30] <pietern> later!
[08:30] <ScottKevill> Likewise, cheers.
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[08:43] <ScottKevill> To anyone else..
[08:43] <ScottKevill> What's the best way to clear a key being used as a bit range?
[08:43] <wedgeV> hi, i have a master/slave setup, and just restarted the slave. after the slave is done with the initial import of the master db, is it normal that the number of keys is less than the masters, and that it's only slowly catching up?
[08:43] <ScottKevill> I could DEL it, but that's a lazy delete I think.
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[08:44] <wedgeV> i thought it would be nearly instant after the initial db transfer
[08:44] <ScottKevill> And I'd rather not have large jumps in RAM.
[08:45] <ScottKevill> Maybe I'm getting that confused with expiring keys.
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[08:51] <Killerguy> hi all
[08:52] <Killerguy> I got this error when my slave try to sync to master :
[08:52] <Killerguy> [30854] 20 Jan 17:43:13 # MASTER aborted replication with an error: ERR Can't SYNC while not connected with my master
[08:52] <Killerguy> but I can connect using telnet to my master
[08:53] <ScottKevill> That message sounds like you have slave -> master -> something else...
[08:54] <Killerguy> yes
[08:54] <Killerguy> I have slave -> master/slave -> master
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[08:55] <ScottKevill> It's saying the second link is the problem (the upstream one).
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[08:55] <Killerguy> hum okay
[08:55] <ScottKevill> slave -> master/slave is fine.
[08:56] <ScottKevill> master/slave -> master is broken.
[08:57] <Killerguy> yep iptables pbs :)
[08:57] <Killerguy> thx !
[08:57] <ScottKevill> np
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[09:03] <xerxas> Hi all
[09:03] <xerxas> is it possible to get the list of all registred data structures that my redis have currently ?
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[09:22] <anrxc> not exactly a implementation explanation, but some key points i found here http://redis.io/topics/replication
[09:22] <anrxc> very important for me "When a master and a slave reconnects after the link went down, a full resync is performed."
[09:23] <anrxc> also this but can't find anything about it in redis 2.2 "Replication is non blocking on the slave side <snip> if you configured redis.conf"
[09:24] <anrxc> looks like only thing that can save me from a website meltdown is for slaves to keep serving old data while re-syncing with the master
[09:26] <anrxc> developers i support don't want to go to 2.4
[09:26] <anrxc> i hope this is possible in 2.2
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[10:06] <oakwise> I am getting this error on a fresh `make && make test` of 2.4.6: *** [err]: Connect multiple slaves at the same time (issue #141) in tests/integration/replication.tcl
[10:06] <oakwise> on ubuntu 11.10
[10:06] <oakwise> anyone know what that's about?
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[10:22] <asedes> hello
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[10:43] <saml> hey, can i store large files in redis?
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[10:55] <mjr_> saml: sure, but remember that they'll all have to stay in memory
[10:55] <saml> oh really?
[10:55] <saml> thanks
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[14:15] <drewrobb> Has a variadic version of ZINCRBY ever been proposed?
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[14:31] <spectre^> Is there any way I can get redis to output less often to stdout, or wherever it's going, when using it with foreman and ruby on rails?
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[14:35] <soveran> spectre^: you can run it as a daemon
[14:36] <spectre^> Well I guess I can | the output to grep
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[14:40] <spectre^> Oh, I guess I cant
[14:40] <spectre^> Oh well fuck it not worth any more time really
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[15:16] <twittard> Heh. Pretty sure he forgot the 2>&1.
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