#redis on irc.freenode.net 2012-01-12 (txt)

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[00:09] <jdunck> Hello all - is there a way to see, on a running redis, what the size of aof was at startup? I'm not sure when bgaofrewrite will trigger.
[00:09] <jdunck> err, BGREWRITEAOF
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[01:14] <sharazjek> do all tests have to pass when running "make test"?
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[02:10] <progre55> hi guys. I have a map, containing entries with count. Is it possible to atomicly ++ the count? it's like map("record", intCount)
[02:10] <progre55> I mean, increment
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[02:21] <progre55> oh, I guess I could use zincrby
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[03:43] <threedot> hi
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[03:44] <threedot> is there a autoincrement key in redis
[03:44] <threedot> ?
[03:44] <michel_v> how so?
[03:46] <threedot> user:d9729feb74992:name
[03:47] <threedot> like this
[03:47] <threedot> how can i generate unique user id in key
[03:48] <michel_v> that's your application's responsibility
[03:48] <michel_v> you can have a key that you increment in Redis, then hash its value
[03:48] <michel_v> and use that as hash to identify your user
[03:49] <threedot> also is comma a special part in key?
[03:49] <michel_v> nothing is special
[03:50] <threedot> i understood. there isn't difference user:d9729feb74992:name between user|d9729feb74992|name
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[03:52] <threedot> it's a naming convention only
[03:52] <michel_v> exactly
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[04:01] <sharazjek> guys, do all tests have to pass when running "make test"? 2.4.6 gives me an error concerning some replication thingy.... issue 141 or something
[04:01] <sharazjek> now i'm hesitant to use it
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[06:23] <Killerguy> hi all
[06:23] <Killerguy> there is way to do prefix tree structure in Redis?
[06:27] <sharazjek> guys, do all tests have to pass when running "make test"? 2.4.6 gives me an error concerning some replication thingy.... issue 141 or something
[06:27] <sharazjek> now i'm hesitant to use redis cause of that
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[06:41] <Kosma> 2.4.6 breaks python-redis 2.4.9
[06:42] <Kosma> we learned the hard way
[06:42] <Kosma> https://github.com/andymccurdy/redis-py/issues/217
[06:49] <sharazjek> ah. that means there's nothing i can do about it yet?
[06:50] <Kosma> the python-redis issue is caused by a new field added in INFO result
[06:50] <Kosma> which has a different format than all the rest
[06:51] <Kosma> about the issue 141 warning - this test was introduced in 2.4.6, and is fairly new
[06:51] <sharazjek> it's the only failing test here as far i can tell
[06:52] <sharazjek> unless there would be more tests to come after that one, they're not run
[06:52] <Kosma> still, I recommend waiting a week or two before updating
[06:53] <sharazjek> it was a fresh install of 2.4.6 in my case... never used redis, wanted to get familiar with it
[06:53] <sharazjek> :)
[06:53] <Kosma> well
[06:53] <sharazjek> but thanks a lot.. i will wait
[06:53] <sharazjek> good things come to those who wait
[06:53] <Kosma> I suggest you use 2.4.5 for now
[06:54] <Kosma> in general, we didn't have any Redis upgrade trouble until today
[06:54] <sharazjek> alright... thanks a lot for your answers... that's really been a big help
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[09:24] <burhan> how is redis different than an in-memory engine for a db?
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[10:30] <ryanbriones> Hello. I have a deployment of redis where I'm seeing a statistically significant number of timeouts from our Ruby client. Does anyone have any ideas on ways to debug what is happening or data we should be looking at to determine why this happens?
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[10:39] <Kosma> burhan: 1. persistent, 2. impossibly fast, 3. fast data structures
[10:39] <Kosma> ryanbriones: are you running any blocking and/or long commands?
[10:40] <Kosma> ryanbriones: enabling and checking slowlog might be a good idea
[10:41] <Kosma> ryanbriones: in our scenario, doing a HKEYS on a hash holding 4.5M elements takes 3 seconds, doing the same on a same-sized ZSET takes 6-7 seconds, this is a LONG of time in terms of NoSQL
[10:41] <ryanbriones> we're seeing the most timeouts around HGETALL
[10:41] <ryanbriones> from what I'm told
[10:41] <ryanbriones> slowlog is a good idea
[10:41] <Kosma> and how big are the hashes?
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[10:43] <ryanbriones> bytes or key size?
[10:43] <Kosma> brb
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[10:44] <Kosma> re
[10:44] <ryanbriones> bytes or key size?
[10:44] <Kosma> both
[10:44] <Kosma> item count, key and value size in bytes
[10:45] <Kosma> in my environment Redis needs ~3 seconds to retrieve 150MB of data in 4.5M keys
[10:47] <ryanbriones> generally the hash takes up around 700 bytes, with around 12 k/v pairs. The keys are "permalink-of-dynamic-size" and the values are "UNIX_TIMESTAMP=>UNIX_TIMESTAMP"
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[10:48] <Kosma> well... use SLOWLOG for a start
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[10:51] <ryanbriones> that's a good idea. definitely going to start there
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[13:03] <sarkis> hey guys, I want to get started with redis as a persistence layer but it is all a tad bit new to me... specifically i am working on a fun little project at work, adding on some features to our ircbot that will require some type of persistence storage
[13:04] <Kosma> sarkis: to be honest, persistency is not the main feature of Redis
[13:04] <sarkis> ofcourse not
[13:04] <Kosma> sarkis: how many writes per second are you expecting?
[13:05] <sarkis> hmmm thats the thing.. so our channel is normally really quiet.. i mean one of the features im working on is like a !seen feature
[13:05] <sarkis> so it would update the seen_$user on every message...
[13:06] <sarkis> shouldn't get to crazy (wps).. I would assume at most 1 write per second on peak times or even less
[13:06] <Kosma> then you should go with appendonly
[13:06] <sarkis> another feature is going to be a message list of pings while the user was out..
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[13:07] <Kosma> appendonly generally offers much better persistence than rdb, and the limiting factor is the write rate
[13:08] <Kosma> if all you need is saving IRC messages, then AOF is a very good solution
[13:09] <Kosma> as for the !seen feature, you might want to use sorted sets, and use the timestamp as the score
[13:09] <Kosma> it's not going to give you a large performance hit - your use case doesn't need performance anyway - but it's an interesting data structure :)
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[13:29] <sarkis> Kosma: i see so if i use a sorted set and use the timestamp as the score, it will store everything a user says?
[13:29] <sarkis> then i can grab the last one?
[13:30] <sarkis> that might be interesting to have a way to repeat the last X things a user said
[13:32] <Kosma> ah
[13:32] <Kosma> in that case, you want lists with LTRIM
[13:33] <Kosma> key is user's (normalized) nickname, value is list of last messages
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[13:34] <Kosma> and, if you'll want more flexibility, use prefixes
[13:35] <Kosma> for example, last:<username> => [list of messages]
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[15:19] <dirtmcgirt> how do i get (what will become) 2.6 RC 1?
[15:20] <dirtmcgirt> is this just HEAD on github?
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[15:30] <threedot> hi
[15:31] <threedot> EXISTS command not works with glob pattern
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