#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-12-09 (txt)

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[02:11] <torsd> what is it called in redis where you chain queries?
[02:11] <Luit> pipelining
[02:11] <Luit> like in many text protocols
[02:12] <Luit> (like HTTP)
[02:12] <torsd> Luit: hey! thanks! maybe I should rephrase my question
[02:12] <torsd> basically i want to pass a result of a redis query to another redis query
[02:12] <Luit> transactions
[02:13] <Luit> (so, using commands WATCH, MULTI and EXEC, most likely)
[02:13] <Luit> (and possibly also DISCARD)
[02:13] <torsd> I'm not referring to transactions
[02:14] <torsd> wait let me think of an example
[02:14] <Luit> hm... okay :-P
[02:14] <torsd> union (sinter set1 set2) (sinter set3 set4)
[02:14] <torsd> something like that
[02:15] <Luit> I don't think you can do that in one single command
[02:15] <Luit> you'd have to do separate ones
[02:15] <Luit> first two sinterSTORE commands, then sunion
[02:15] <torsd> oh ok.. guess i have to use sinterstore
[02:15] <torsd> then
[02:15] <torsd> my issue i would have to generate unique keys everytime i do the command
[02:15] <Luit> and if you want to do that atomically, use transactions
[02:17] <torsd> Luit: thanks man!
[02:17] <Luit> you're welcome ;-)
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[03:47] <cantonic> hey guys. anyone here using resque?
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[04:00] <Luit> yay, got the first bits of a new Go (language) client package
[04:00] <Luit> got the protocol sorted out, I guess
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[08:20] <abki_> hi
[08:20] <abki_> what is the state of redis scripting ?
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[08:28] <imajes> mrb_bk: ping
[08:29] <mrb_bk> imajes: hello sir
[08:29] <mrb_bk> what's up
[08:29] <imajes> mrb_bk: is there a better idiom than something like this: https://gist.github.com/5394d5b554707241695a
[08:29] <imajes> i'm wondering if the hexists makes it too slow
[08:30] <mrb_bk> imajes: reading
[08:30] <mrb_bk> hexists is 0(1)
[08:31] <imajes> ok
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[08:32] <imajes> mrb_bk: i knwo that hexists/hget etc are all O(1) but i'm mostly wondering if there's a better way of doing that kind of bait-and-switch
[08:33] <mrb_bk> imajes: well are you using a hash for a specific reason? for zipmap size savingS?
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[08:34] <imajes> eaiser management i guess
[08:34] <imajes> well
[08:34] <imajes> that's not true
[08:34] <imajes> if i want to get all of the cached items, i am doing hgetall a couple places
[08:34] <mrb_bk> imajes: but there's also hsetnx
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[08:35] <mrb_bk> imajes: which is arguably cleaner to use in this case
[08:35] <imajes> hmm
[08:36] <imajes> the use of hexists here basically avoids doing the cache block
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[08:36] <imajes> perhaps i could write that clearer to be more indicative
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[08:36] <imajes> the idea is to always return from the cache, but if the cache is nil, populate the cache and return it
[08:37] <imajes> mrb_bk: i probably need to tweak it a bit more, but it's definitely better than the memcache install before.
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[08:37] <mrb_bk> imajes: interesting
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[08:37] <mrb_bk> we use redis and memcached both, very heavily
[08:37] <imajes> right
[08:38] <imajes> i wanted to lose memcache as it's not useful in this insance
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[08:38] <imajes> and just ends up being an extra dependency
[08:38] <imajes> i would imagine it's the same for you guys.
[08:38] <mrb_bk> m
[08:38] <mrb_bk> not really
[08:38] <mrb_bk> i think memcached as a clustered LRU
[08:38] <mrb_bk> that basically demands zero attention and usually "just works"
[08:38] <imajes> sure
[08:38] <mrb_bk> is kinda hard to beat
[08:39] <imajes> that's true enough
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[08:39] <mrb_bk> i wouldn't mind having one dependency instead of two
[08:39] <mrb_bk> at all
[08:39] <michel_v> imajes: I tend to think of Redis as "intelligent cache", and use it as such if I use it as cache, and leave the dumb key/value to memcache
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[08:40] <imajes> yeah that makes sense
[08:40] <imajes> for what we're doing, there's lots of value of using redis as a layer for produced/baked content
[08:40] <mrb_bk> imajes: also i would keep the block out of this altogether
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[08:40] <imajes> that is pretty much immutable once it's done
[08:40] <imajes> oh?
[08:40] <mrb_bk> imajes: i think it's a great solution for this kind of thing
[08:41] <imajes> the problem with memcache before is that it was hard to be sure you had really cleared the cache
[08:43] <mrb_bk> imajes: https://gist.github.com/a49961fa4380b00779dd
[08:43] <mrb_bk> doesn't that do the same thing
[08:43] <imajes> out of interest, why'd you avoid the block?
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[08:44] <mrb_bk> imajes: because why would you want to complicate the spot where everything gets cached by introducing that there
[08:44] <mrb_bk> it just seems like unecessary redirection
[08:46] <imajes> mrb_bk: this is the otherside of that interface: https://gist.github.com/43d7c23b543ef5cdccc3
[08:46] <imajes> what i showed was a chunk from a mixin
[08:47] <imajes> i had the non block version before, but i wanted to simplify the decision for what to do if the cache is empty
[08:47] <imajes> though, doing it at the last minute is not necessarily confident code.
[08:48] <imajes> and versioning this data is a nightmare
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[08:49] <mrb_bk> imajes: yeah
[08:49] <mrb_bk> imajes: i'd still just pass the data instead of a block
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[08:50] <imajes> k
[08:50] <imajes> btw, nothing like using redis to front-cache mongo :D
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[08:54] <abki_> what is the state of redis scripting please ? I see there is code on git but does it work ? is their any developement documentation somewhere ?
[08:57] <mrb_bk> abki_: check out the unstable branch
[08:57] <abki_> mrb_bk: thx
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[10:08] <imajes> mrb_bk: you know of a way to use monitor in redis-cli and hide some keys?
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[10:19] <mrb_bk> imajes: what do you mean hide some keys
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[10:20] <imajes> mrb_bk: e.g monitor all but requests for keys starting with 'resque'
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[10:23] <mrb_bk> imajes: oh hm
[10:23] <mrb_bk> not sure! | & grep?
[10:24] <imajes> yeah, maybe piping
[10:27] <jacqui> you can't filter monitor by passing it an arg or anything. you'd have to use grep or something like it.
[10:28] <jacqui> i've wanted that. mrb_bk, are you still working on pianoman?
[10:28] <mrb_bk> jacqui: yeah, still poking at it here and there
[10:28] <mrb_bk> didn't get any community feedback though so it's been a little stagnant
[10:29] <jacqui> I said I liked it...
[10:29] <jacqui> I will run it again today :)
[10:30] <imajes> Yeah, damn. hgetall is crazy fast.
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[10:30] <mrb_bk> hehe
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[10:32] <jacqui> mrb_bk: you might be missing an opportunity here - radishapp.com is no more...
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[10:44] <jacqui> https://github.com/mrb/pianoman btw people.
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[11:07] <mrb_bk> jacqui: oh really
[11:08] <mrb_bk> jacqui: when is it over?
[11:08] <mrb_bk> it doesn't have enough info to be useful, that's for sure
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[11:10] <jacqui> I'm not sure, I got an email saying they were going to shut it down though
[11:10] <jacqui> I can check. I agree that it wasn't very useful, though it was pretty.
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[11:10] <jacqui> Impressed the boss. But $30 is a little steep for that amount of info :)
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[11:37] <mrb_bk> yeah word
[11:37] <mrb_bk> good ot know
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[14:27] <insin> Hi, I'm trying to compile scripting 2.2.111 on Xubuntu 11.10 and getting the following compile error (and a bunch of others related to math functions): /vm.c:446: undefined reference to `log'
[14:27] <insin> Any idea what I could be doing wrong? I'm just running make as per INSTALL
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[14:43] <murrdoc> i cant find the status of redis-cluter online … any body have recommendations about what the current state is of redis-cluster
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[14:47] <Luit> murrdoc: it's complicated :P
[14:48] <Luit> I bet they're working hard on this
[14:48] <Luit> but last time I checked there was no clear answer on when the'll have a first version
[14:49] <murrdoc> nice Luit
[14:49] <Luit> I guess alpha early next year...
[14:49] <Luit> (wild stab in the dark)
[14:49] <murrdoc> so do u just use client side hashing ?
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[16:35] <Luit> is there a safe maximum status or error reply length I can assume?
[16:35] <Luit> (writing a language binding)
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