#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-12-08 (txt)

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[06:11] <albert> helo
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[07:33] <jrydberg_> is it common that redis drops my connection?
[07:33] <jrydberg_> my idle connection i should say
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[07:50] <trapni> is it possible to run redis in dual-master mode?
[07:50] <trapni> I just tested it, and it actually seemed to work! - however, googling for it, I found a thread around year 2009, saying, that it *seems* not to be working
[07:50] <trapni> so what do we have today?
[07:51] <jrydberg_> as i understand it: master-slave
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[07:51] <jrydberg_> until redis cluster comes
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[07:52] <trapni> well, I set $A to be slave of $B, and then set $B to be slave of $A. and wrote to both ends, and the other reflected the change; tested a few minutes ago
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[09:17] <alekx> andymccurdy: hi there! here is a scenario: unicode string written with Redis, and uncode string converted to utf8 and written with redis; the value stored is different
[09:17] <alekx> is that OK?
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[09:18] <andymccurdy> alekx: so, redis.set(u'some unicode string') and redis.set(u"a unicode string to convert that's converted to utf8".encode('utf8')) ?
[09:18] <alekx> yep
[09:19] <alekx> the stored values seem to be different
[09:19] <andymccurdy> using a utf-8 charset (the default) to the client instance?
[09:19] <alekx> andymccurdy: and I'm a bit tired and not sure that's ok
[09:20] <alekx> yes
[09:20] <alekx> lemme try again
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[09:22] <alekx> andymccurdy: hell, this time it ended up the same
[09:22] <alekx> wtf am I doing wrong
[09:22] <andymccurdy> the only time redis-py uses the charset to encode is when you're sending a unicode string. if you're sending a bytestring, no encoding will happen
[09:22] <andymccurdy> which is what i think everyone would want.
[09:23] <andymccurdy> so when you do the .encode('utf-8') manually, redis just sees a bytestring and saves it as is.
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[09:24] <alekx> andymccurdy: that makes sense
[09:24] <alekx> but there's something in my code that leads to different results...
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[09:25] <alekx> it might be the simplejson part though
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[09:26] <andymccurdy> ah
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[09:29] <alekx> andymccurdy: .encode and redis give me 'can\xe2\x80\x99t store them as nested objects. [\xe2\x80\xa6] What' while passing through simplejson I get "can\u2019t store them as nested objects. [\u2026] What"
[09:30] <andymccurdy> alekx: what type of string is the one coming from simplejson? and what encoding does it have?
[09:31] <alekx> I can tell it to ensure_ascii or not... with ensure_ascii I get a str which should be utf8, with ensure_ascii False I get an unicode
[09:32] <andymccurdy> alekx: well it looks like it's a unicode string based on the second output. the \u[0-9]+ ..
[09:33] <andymccurdy> alekx: if that's the case though, redis-py should be encoding it to utf8.
[09:34] <andymccurdy> alekx: i'd suggest doing a type() on the simplejson value just before you pass it into redis-py
[09:34] <andymccurdy> see what you actually have
[09:34] <alekx> andymccurdy: actually what confuses me is that it looks like encoding to utf8 can take different output forms... which doesn't make any sense
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[09:35] <andymccurdy> well, it's all based on what you're inputting.
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[10:11] <moos3> can i store json in a redis table ? ie i have a json object { user: { name: <name>, sshKey: <ssh pub>, home: <path> }} ?
[10:11] <shaiguitar> I heard you can search all values, but can't the api. can someone direct me to how to do it?
[10:11] <shaiguitar> can't find*
[10:11] <shaiguitar> moos3: why not? you can store whatever in redis.
[10:11] <moos3> i'm trying to figure out how to do it in php
[10:11] <moos3> i'm new to the whole redis thing
[10:13] <yessopie> a json object is a string
[10:13] <yessopie> you don't need to ask if redis can store each type of string, e.g. "can redis store a username? can redis store a city name?"
[10:14] <moos3> yessopie can i ?
[10:14] <yessopie> you can store strings
[10:15] <moos3> is it better to store it as a single field or as many fields
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[10:19] <yessopie> hmm
[10:20] <willeh> moos3: I would use something like msgpack before putting it in redis though. Seeing as it is faster to decode and encode
[10:20] <moos3> k
[10:21] <moos3> basically what i'm doing it using redis as a between a daemon and a web ui to set ssh for a user
[10:21] <yessopie> afaik, redis hashes are not recursive
[10:21] <yessopie> each value in the hash has to be a string
[10:21] <willeh> yup
[10:21] <yessopie> so, you can unravel the "top level" of your JSON object and put it in a hash
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[10:21] <yessopie> which will let you, for example, read or modify just some properties of the object
[10:22] <willeh> yeah but for some kinds of data, where you only need to access it as a whole it makes to store it like a blob
[10:22] <yessopie> however, unless the object just contains a bunch of strings, the values of the properties will still need to be JSON-encoded
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[10:24] <shaiguitar> how can search all values for a match in redis?
[10:25] <willeh> shaiguitar: probably not a good idea to search thru them all, make an index or something
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[10:28] <shaiguitar> willeh: how do I do that?
[10:29] <shaiguitar> can you point me in the right direction?
[10:29] <shaiguitar> also even if it's not a good idea, can you point me to the api to do it?
[10:29] <shaiguitar> I can't find
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[10:30] <willeh> shaiguitar: ummm I guess you could do KEYS foo:* and then GET those
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[10:31] <shaiguitar> but I want to search for values that match bar* for example
[10:31] <shaiguitar> I don't know the exact keys (though I know the key matches foo* lets say)
[10:32] <willeh> shaiguitar: you can't get values without knowing the key
[10:33] <willeh> shaiguitar: so you can't do something like GET foo:* and get all the values
[10:33] <willeh> shaiguitar: how is your data set up?
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[10:35] <shaiguitar> I have this for example
[10:35] <shaiguitar> KEY -
[10:36] <shaiguitar> instance:cache:(dynamic_id)
[10:36] <shaiguitar> which stores a bunch of json
[10:36] <shaiguitar> and in it, I have the value I'm looking for
[10:36] <willeh> shaiguitar: okay, you want to search for something in there
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[10:37] <willeh> shaiguitar: you need to make something that indexes that
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[10:39] <willeh> shaiguitar: probably using a set foo:mysearchCriteria containing the ids of all the instance:cache:IDS matching that criteria
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[11:17] <andymccurdy> jonesy: hey.
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[11:20] <jonesy> hey andymccurdy :-D
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[11:21] <cfitzhugh> http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/08/hp-to-launch-another-touchpad-fire-sale-this-weekend-because-it/
[11:21] <cfitzhugh> yay
[11:22] <andymccurdy> jonesy: so i definitely agree that the client shouldn't really know anything about connections.. and I think that's the case right now. it only knows about a connection pool.. because it has to send the command *somewhere*.
[11:22] <cfitzhugh> doh
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[11:22] <cfitzhugh> sorry all. wrong channel...
[11:22] <jonesy> andymccurdy - iirc, the client actually *gets* the connection from the connection pool.
[11:22] jonesy checks
[11:23] <jonesy> andymccurdy - oh yeah, it does, and then it talks directly to it, and then for whatever reason goes through the pool to release the connection.
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[11:23] <andymccurdy> jonesy: ya, there's a few reasons for that.
[11:23] <jonesy> all of that is in execute_command (StrictRedis)
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[11:24] <andymccurdy> jonesy: PubSub and pipelines require long access to connection objects.
[11:24] <andymccurdy> jonesy: so there has to be a way for those to get one from the pool, hold on to it for awhile, then eventually release it back
[11:25] <andymccurdy> jonesy: at that point, it made more sense have the main client class just talk to the connection directly within execute_command instead of creating some pass-thru method on the pool that effectively does the same thing.
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[11:26] <andymccurdy> but the pool always has enough information to return the appropriate connection, given the command name and key.
[11:26] <jonesy> andymccurdy - that's an interesting challenge, but I think the resulting design really makes it hard to evolve & extend things in a clean way.
[11:26] <jonesy> andymccurdy but the pool is basically being conditionally subverted.
[11:26] <andymccurdy> jonesy: how so?
[11:27] <jonesy> andymccurdy - you just said that basically the pipelines need to get their hands directly on the connection.
[11:27] <jonesy> and execute_command talks directly to connection objects.
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[11:27] <jonesy> at that point, you have no need for a connection pool, or you have a need for some other intermediary.
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[11:28] <jonesy> andymccurdy - ideally, the client would do *nothing* except assemble requests that go to whatever is sending the requests.
[11:28] <jonesy> andymccurdy - that's oversimplification, for sure.
[11:29] <andymccurdy> as it stands now, the pools main job is a cache for recently used connections. being able to re-use a connection to eliminate the tcp connection time, etc.
[11:30] <andymccurdy> and that's what the client does. it constructs the command, then sends it off. whether it sends it to the pool, which in turns sends it to a connection, or asks the pool for a connection and sends it directly there seems like an implementation detail that's not very relevant.
[11:30] <jonesy> andymccurdy - it's also a nice abstraction to be able to extend in the case of sharding, but when we have this really monolithic notion of a 'client' that knows about connections, and pipelines, and transactions, and pools, things get hairy quickly.
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[11:32] <jonesy> andymccurdy - and when you want to keep something like sharding pretty transparent even though it's a bit more complex operation, having separation of responsibility and a certain level of isolation between concepts is helpful. Again, this is all my opinion, and I'm just looking to prove it to myself one way or the other.
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[11:33] <jonesy> andymccurdy - maybe some of whatever I learn can help out redis-py.
[11:33] <jonesy> :)
[11:33] <andymccurdy> jonesy: i agree that sharding must be transparent. but I'm arguing that it actually is.
[11:33] <andymccurdy> ya definitely, that'd be great.
[11:34] <jonesy> andymccurdy - I guess I respectfully disagree that it is both transparent and easy to implement in a way that is clean and easy to reason about. Maybe I can help make it better.
[11:34] <jonesy> ….and maybe I can't ;-P
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[11:37] <andymccurdy> i'm definitely open to new ideas. when i redesigned the client/connection architecture for 2.4, it was challenging to come up with a system that was easy replace individual pieces of (Connections, Parsers, Pools), yet still had the ability to support complex pipelining and pubsub actions.
[11:37] <andymccurdy> the connection architecture was a nightmare before 2.4
[11:37] <andymccurdy> =/
[11:38] <jonesy> andymccurdy - yeah, there are times I think it'll be easy and then I remember "oh yeah, pubsub" or something like that ;-P
[11:38] <jonesy> the thing is, redis itself is slightly schizophrenic.
[11:38] <jonesy> it's a good thing.
[11:38] <jonesy> but it's not easy to design around.
[11:38] <andymccurdy> yup =/ i went through several implementations that looked awesome, but totally didn't work for some case like pubsub
[11:40] <andymccurdy> jonesy: i'm fairly certain you could create a HashRingConnectionPool in about 20 lines of code (using another hashring module containing the actual algorithm). and none of the existing code needs to change in order for you to do that.
[11:41] <andymccurdy> but again, i'm totally open to new ideas.
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[12:48] <Luit> hi!
[12:49] <Luit> is it safe to assume the length part of a bulk or multi-bulk response is within the bounds of an int64?
[12:49] <Luit> not sure where to find this, other than in the implementation itself
[12:50] <Luit> (and not clear-minded enough to see what amount of memory a 1<<63 byte long string would consume...)
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[12:54] <Luit> shit, just used wolframalpha for that
[12:55] <Luit> positive addressable length in int64 (not even uint64) is in the exabyte range
[12:56] <Luit> "92 × purported storage capacity of the character Data in Star Trek: The Next Generation"
[12:57] <Luit> I think it's safe to say I don't have to expect any bulk or multi-bulk with a length I can't store in int63 then...
[12:57] <Luit> s/int63/int64/
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[15:21] <yashh> Hey I am using redis as LRU cache. redis hit max-memory and evicting keys at a pretty aggressive rate but I see that redis is hitting 100% CPU few times
[15:21] <yashh> is this a common behaviour
[15:22] <rittyan> never used it with max-memory (and hence as LRU cache)
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[15:32] <mjr_> yashh: what policy are you using?
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