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[03:24] <rittyan> when i do slave noone - data is not dropped, right?
[03:24] <rittyan> on a slave
[03:26] <ddilinger> if your really not sure it might be worth a quick test, but afaik slave noone just drops the connection
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[07:55] <newbie> what is redis actually
[07:55] <newbie> ?
[07:55] <newbie> a web server
[07:55] <newbie> ?
[07:55] <cfitzhugh> nope
[07:55] <cfitzhugh> it's a key-value store
[07:55] newbie -> Guest96329
[07:55] <cfitzhugh> that's really fast
[07:56] <cfitzhugh> it is a server, but it acts almost like a hash/disctionary
[07:56] <Guest96329> mm..so its the only key-value store available ?
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[07:56] <cfitzhugh> no. not by a long shot.
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[07:56] <cfitzhugh> it just happens to be fast, pretty simple, and popular
[07:57] <Guest96329> but its not for widows..does it?
[07:57] <Guest96329> windows*
[07:57] <cfitzhugh> i don't know.
[07:57] <cfitzhugh> it's a tool, it does nothing on it's own.
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[07:58] <cfitzhugh> so you may not get much success if you need help setting it up
[07:59] <Guest96329> actually i am a linux user...but i am stick around with windows because of some applications like adobe as i am working as a web developer
[07:59] <Guest96329> where can i find documentation about where can i use redis..
[08:00] <saYu> what's the different between redis and memcached ?
[08:01] <cfitzhugh> redis.io I think
[08:01] <cfitzhugh> just google for redis. the wesite has a ton of info
[08:02] <Guest96329> memcached does not have the key commands as i know
[08:02] <cfitzhugh> just a lot.
[08:02] <cfitzhugh> redis is a super-set of most of memcache
[08:02] <cfitzhugh> redis has more complex data types.
[08:02] <cfitzhugh> afaik memcache is basically a string key => string value (with expiration tags)
[08:02] <Guest96329> i think i gotha explore it
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[08:04] <Guest96329> but redis web site doesnt contain details abotu the pros and cons of redis
[08:04] <Guest96329> about*
[08:04] <Guest96329> newbies will end up not knowing what the heck is that...
[08:05] <Guest96329> but memcached does..
[08:06] <saYu> so will memcached be substitued by redis ?
[08:08] <Guest96329> not sure about that
[08:08] <Guest96329> i dont have any ideas abotu both of them
[08:08] <Guest96329> about*
[08:09] <Guest96329> so memcached is used to dump and log data..?
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[10:06] <j0sh> i am having a ton of problems with redis-rb and synchrony connection pools
[10:07] <j0sh> not sure if this is the place for that
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[11:38] <imajes> hey. anyone knows what would happen if i start talking to a slave for writes?
[11:39] <rittyan> imajes: i know
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[11:39] <imajes> ok
[11:40] <imajes> rittyan: so what happens
[11:41] <rittyan> imajes: redis will say "OK, sure" but will forget everything right after a network glitch
[11:41] <rittyan> imajes: long story short: never write to slaves
[11:41] <rittyan> no profit at all
[11:42] <imajes> ok here's a scenario
[11:42] <imajes> i'm moving my redis from one machine to another
[11:42] <imajes> i've set the new machine to slave from the old one, so it's up to date
[11:42] <imajes> how do i then do the transfer?
[11:43] <imajes> stop everything, sync old redis, start all on new redis?
[11:43] <imajes> and, can i tell a slave to stop being a slave?
[11:43] <rittyan> i'm not sure how my sysadmins do that. Prolly we live in read-only for some time
[11:43] <imajes> i suppose slaveof nothing at some point will work
[11:44] <imajes> ah yeah
[11:44] <imajes> slave of no one
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[12:23] <jacqui> slave of no one is the best thing ever
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[12:25] <yessopie> hello
[12:26] <yessopie> is there a way to get the expire time for a key?
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[12:27] <yessopie> To determine whether or not the key will expire, and if so, when.
[12:27] <yessopie> In order to create a monitoring tool.
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[12:30] <mrb_bk> yessopie: http://redis.io/commands/ttl
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[12:37] <mrb_bk> imajes: figure out your replication ?s?
[12:37] <imajes> oh, hey mrb
[12:37] <imajes> sorta?
[12:37] <imajes> not entirely
[12:37] <imajes> i'm trying to figure out if i can have the new redis act as a slave of the old redis,
[12:37] <imajes> deploy the app pointing at the new redis
[12:37] <imajes> and then tell the new redis that it's a slave of no one
[12:37] <imajes> and everything be cool
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[12:39] <mrb_bk> yeah that should work
[12:40] <mrb_bk> try it out!
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[12:41] <imajes> hah
[12:41] <imajes> no
[12:41] <imajes> it's production
[12:41] <imajes> no 'try' only 'do'
[12:42] <mrb_bk> it's trivial to run multiple instances locally
[12:42] <mrb_bk> if you don't rehearse it, you're in for pain
[12:44] <mrb_bk> or, depending on how you look at it, fun
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[13:01] <imajes> mrb_bk: that's true
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[13:06] <yessopie> mrb_bk- oh, thanks!
[13:06] <mrb_bk> np
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[13:25] <luckyruby> i have a key that looks like this "rate:LAS2:2D:ECAR:2011-12-27"
[13:25] <luckyruby> actually nm, just figured out the answer to my unasked question
[13:25] <imajes> You're welcome
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[13:28] <luckyruby> with redis-rb, if I want to delete all keys matching rate:LAS2:2D:ECAR, would this be the best way to do that? ($redis.keys "rate:LAS2:2D:ECAR*").each{|key| $redis.del key}
[13:30] <mrb_bk> luckyruby: actually, the best way to do it is to keep the unique keys in a set
[13:30] <mrb_bk> and then iterate over that set to delete
[13:30] <mrb_bk> keys * shouldn't be used if it can be avoided
[13:32] <luckyruby> does that mean i need to have an sadd into this index for each rate i create?
[13:32] <imajes> mrb_bk: so i've decided the ony way this can continue is if we form a club for bourbons
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[13:33] <imajes> I'm sure you'll understand.
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[13:34] <mrb_bk> imajes: confirmed
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[13:35] <imajes> mrb_bk: so are you doing any replication stuff with redis? or jsut running hot spare
[13:35] <imajes> by which i mean: are you using read slaves?
[13:35] <imajes> slave readers
[13:35] <imajes> *sigh*
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[13:35] <mrb_bk> imajes: we don't have an auto failover yet unfortunately
[13:36] <mrb_bk> been working on a heartbeat solution
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[13:36] <mrb_bk> but we run bgsaves with no AOF on the master and the slaves
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[13:37] <imajes> that makes sense
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[13:40] <mrb_bk> it's not perfect
[13:40] <mrb_bk> and it's still a SPOF ;(
[13:40] <mrb_bk> but hopefully it will improve soon
[13:41] <mrb_bk> i hope a ruby client failover comes to redis-rb soon
[13:41] <mrb_bk> more important IMO than clustering
[13:41] <mrb_bk> as a first step
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[13:44] <imajes> yeah
[13:46] <mrb_bk> let me know what you end up doing, imajes
[13:47] <imajes> well, for now having a hot spare is good enough
[13:47] <imajes> right now we're only going to use redis for resque + epic cache
[13:47] <imajes> so i could end up doing a rescue on Redis.new if it fails or something
[13:48] <imajes> or something like that
[13:48] <imajes> but really, it'll be nough to be able to deploy and restart
[13:48] <imajes> gotta get mongo into replica set mode first :D
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[16:23] <yessopie> I've started to get weird problems with redis 2.2.1 a few weeks ago
[16:23] <yessopie> http://www.lumental.com/redis-memoryuse.png
[16:24] <yessopie> this is memory use on the box: green is memory used by an app, purple is the OS's cache
[16:24] <yessopie> well, "an app" = redis
[16:25] <yessopie> Seems it does these sudden upturns, then frees everything
[16:27] <yessopie> I don't think it's the web code, because I'm sharding keys evenly between two servers, and this doesn't happen on the other one
[16:27] <yessopie> can anyone with knowledge of Redis internals offer a guess about what's going on?
[16:30] <yessopie> If VM is disabled, what does redis 2.2.1 do when it runs out of memory?
[16:30] <yessopie> And what would account for the upward surges?
[16:31] <petercooper> So those crashes aren't restarts?
[16:31] <petercooper> (of redis)
[16:31] <yessopie> they might be--it's managed hosting and I can't look at the log of what's happening there
[16:31] <yessopie> it probably is
[16:32] <yessopie> err
[16:32] <petercooper> wow, just noticed it's measured in "G" :)
[16:32] <yessopie> I don't know whether redis is restarting itself or if there is something restarting it automatically when it crashes
[16:32] <yessopie> yeah there is a lot of data :(
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[16:34] <petercooper> I'm not going to be particularly qualified to answer this
[16:34] <petercooper> but in lieu of anyone else jumping in..
[16:34] <petercooper> One reference I can find is that memory usage can leap up quickly /if/ you're using hashes and the size of the hash goes over a certain bound
[16:35] <petercooper> Potentially some pointers here.. see if any of them smell right to you. For a slightly older version, though: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.redis.general/4119
[16:35] <yessopie> interesting, I'll check it out, thank you
[16:36] <yessopie> The vast majority of keys are strings, since it was previously using memcache
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[16:38] <yessopie> hmm maybe I can do some infos during the surges and see
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[17:31] <RandIter> how can i get a list of all IP addresses connected to a Redis server (once for each connection)?
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[17:43] <jfarmer> RandIter: Do you have access to the server?
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[17:44] <RandIter> jfarmer: not at the moment - I'm only a client. Perhaps later I will
[17:46] <jfarmer> I have no good answer, then :(
[17:46] <RandIter> info tells me the number of connected clients, but not the ip addresses
[17:46] <RandIter> jfarmer: what if i had access
[17:46] <jfarmer> Assuming it's a UNIX machine, you could use netstat
[17:47] <RandIter> jfarmer: and what would i look for in the huge output
[17:47] <jfarmer> Grep for the redis port
[17:48] <RandIter> jfarmer: does Redis itself have no way?
[17:48] <jfarmer> Not as far as I know
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[18:40] <nicholasf> hi. What's the best way to set up a url on a collection that relies on an instance var? e.g. https://gist.github.com/1445874
[18:40] <nicholasf> oh sorry
[18:40] <nicholasf> wrong channel
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