#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-12-06 (txt)

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[01:54] <Killerguy> hi all
[01:54] <Killerguy> I would like to update several set at once
[01:54] <Killerguy> by key matching
[01:54] <Killerguy> like : sadd *:com test
[01:55] <Killerguy> to add value test to all the key that end by :com
[01:55] <Killerguy> it's possible?
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[02:46] <Killerguy> anybody have a solution?
[02:49] <mattbillenstein> sadd doesn't take wildcards ...
[02:50] <mattbillenstein> you'll have to look up the keys first, then sadd to each one ...
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[02:59] <Killerguy> hum
[03:01] <Killerguy> can we do redis script?
[03:01] <Killerguy> with lua or sth else?
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[03:04] <Killerguy> okay I will do that in python :)
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[03:42] <smrchy> You should use wildcards only for rare cleanup jobs.
[03:43] <smrchy> In a large keyspace wildcards are no good ;)
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[03:51] <Killerguy> okay :)
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[04:20] <patrickod> are there any pulic debian repos for more recent versions of redis ?
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[05:06] <nopz___> Hi
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[05:06] <nopz___> Is it possible to use globing over string keys ?
[05:06] <nopz___> like GET 'counter:categories:*'
[05:07] <michel_v> not that I know of
[05:07] <michel_v> but I didn't keep track of big improvements
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[05:08] <michel_v> unless someone helps you on this, you can still do KEYS counter:categories:* and then MGET these keys
[05:08] <nopz___> yes
[05:08] <nopz___> thank :)
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[05:12] <progre55> xetorthio: hi =) I'm using your rmq client, and I was wondering.. doesn't it delete the messages from the queue after they are read? cause now I was browsing my reddit server, and it seems none of the old messages were deleted
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[06:56] <jacqui> hello hello
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[07:31] <Kosma> where do I find scripting examples for the new scripting feature?
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[09:55] <rittyan_> what happens if redis grows more than memory installed? without using maxmemory in config
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[10:00] <brunov> rittyan_, on my laptop running latest ubuntu, it hangs the system and forces me to do a hard reboot.
[10:01] <rittyan_> brunov: weird, must be oom killer
[10:01] <brunov> rittyan_, yeah, it's probably a quirk in my system
[10:02] <brunov> purely anecdotal :)
[10:02] <pietern> brunov: it probably starts swapping
[10:02] <pietern> brunov: thrashing your disk
[10:02] <pietern> making your system totally unresponsive
[10:02] <rittyan_> pietern: and if i have no swap configured? what's happening?
[10:02] <pietern> if you disable swap, the kernel will oom-kill it
[10:03] <rittyan_> I see
[10:03] <rittyan_> pietern: and maxmemory disables EXEC completely if redis takes more memory than maxmemory, right?
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[10:04] <pietern> rittyan_: yep
[10:05] <rittyan_> pietern: and writing aof to disk (not flushing, but writing, i.e. write(2)) is async?
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[10:05] <pietern> rittyan_: write+flush is done in one pass
[10:06] <pietern> this used to be blocking
[10:06] <rittyan_> pietern: so with everysec policy write is issued every second?
[10:06] <pietern> otherwise there is no guarantee of the write ops being persisted
[10:06] <rittyan_> yep
[10:06] <rittyan_> now it sits in a thread?
[10:07] <pietern> yep
[10:07] <pietern> for everysec
[10:07] <pietern> since that is kind of opportunistic to begin with
[10:07] <rittyan_> what if flushing takes longer than a sec?
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[10:07] <pietern> rittyan_: it will block in the next second
[10:07] <rittyan_> what if flush is in progress but I ask redis to quit - it waits for the thread to finish?
[10:08] <pietern> rittyan_: wait, that is not correct
[10:08] <rittyan_> :-)
[10:08] <pietern> first, it skips writing for 2 seconds
[10:08] <pietern> keeping sutff in memory
[10:09] <pietern> then, it writes without fflush, until the initial background job completes
[10:09] <pietern> this is to prevent intermittent disk peaks to slow down redis too much
[10:09] <rittyan_> I see
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[10:09] <rittyan_> and then it flushes on next second?
[10:10] <pietern> rittyan_: then it flushes again when it can queue a new background job
[10:10] <pietern> but since the original flush was pending, subsequent writes will block until that has completed
[10:10] <rittyan_> I see
[10:10] <rittyan_> you said there is a time when it writes without flushing. Do writes happen every 1 sec too?
[10:11] <rittyan_> hmm
[10:11] <rittyan_> so flushing blocks all following writes?
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[10:11] <pietern> rittyan_: you can test that
[10:11] <pietern> hammer 1 thread with fflush'es
[10:12] <pietern> and write in another thread
[10:12] <pietern> when a fflush is busy,
[10:12] <pietern> subsequent writes block
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[10:13] <rittyan_> hmm, so 1) everysec we write+flush 2) if flush is blocked, we don't write+flush for next 2 seconds 3) then we try to write (and we block the thread) 4) when first "flush" completed, we write+flush happily
[10:13] <rittyan_> I got it right?
[10:13] <pietern> rittyan_: yep
[10:13] <pietern> that sounds right
[10:13] <pietern> we don't block the thread though
[10:14] <pietern> the thread is blocking on the fflush syscall
[10:14] <pietern> sorry, fsync
[10:14] <rittyan_> yes, but in the end we issued write and hence we blocked
[10:14] <rittyan_> that's what I meant
[10:14] <pietern> the write has to wait for the fsync to complete
[10:14] <pietern> yes
[10:14] <pietern> so we implicitly block
[10:14] <pietern> not explicitly
[10:14] <pietern> if the OS has other guarantees
[10:14] <rittyan_> oh? I thought OS blocks you
[10:14] <pietern> this may be different
[10:14] <pietern> yes
[10:15] <pietern> the OS blocks, so we implicitly block on writes in this case
[10:15] <rittyan_> there is no such logic in redis itself? Like, if we didn't fsync properly, we sleep
[10:15] <rittyan_> it all happens by itself? :-)
[10:15] <pietern> rittyan_: yes
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[10:16] <pietern> apparently, the OS doesn't let you write to a descriptor that is being fsync'ed
[10:16] <rittyan_> this behaviour is consistent among different OSes?
[10:16] <pietern> rittyan_: don't know
[10:16] <pietern> rittyan_: you tell me :)
[10:16] <rittyan_> I don't know, we use linuxes :-)
[10:16] <pietern> linux behaves this way
[10:16] <rittyan_> I see. I have a question about replication
[10:17] <rittyan_> 1) slave connects to a master 2) master BGSAVEs, flushes itself to a disk 3) sends file contents to a slave, just like telnet, "raw" content 4) slave writes contents to a file 5) loads file like from rdb 6) ????? 7) master sends commands to slave like to AOF
[10:17] <rittyan_> what I am missing?
[10:18] <pietern> there is no step 6
[10:18] <pietern> after loading from file, the master is connected just like any other client
[10:18] <pietern> and it executes the commands it sends
[10:18] <rittyan_> pietern: surely loading from rdb takes time, minutes, master cannot just send commands to slave
[10:18] <rittyan_> without waitng for slave to become operable
[10:18] <pietern> rittyan_: those commands queue up at the server side
[10:18] <pietern> master side
[10:18] <rittyan_> how master knows that the slave is ready?
[10:18] <pietern> so yes, the master can just send commands
[10:19] <pietern> rittyan_: because the slave starts reading from the socket again and the write buffer gets drained
[10:19] <pietern> again, this is done implicitly by buffers on the master's side
[10:19] <rittyan_> oh, so it all happens in some epoll/select logic?
[10:19] <pietern> no complex logic
[10:19] <pietern> yes
[10:19] <rittyan_> like, when socket becomes writeable (?), master writes commands from buffer to socket
[10:20] <pietern> yes,
[10:20] <pietern> but this is all abstracted away
[10:20] <pietern> the replication code is not aware of this
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[10:20] <pietern> it "just happens" (tm)
[10:20] <rittyan_> master must have N different queues in memory if there is N slaves
[10:20] <pietern> rittyan_: yup
[10:20] <rittyan_> I see
[10:20] <rittyan_> pietern: I will be talking about redis tomorrow at work, so I am trying to clear up some grey areas :-)
[10:20] <pietern> rittyan_: hehe, sure
[10:20] <rittyan_> to not get caught during simple questions
[10:20] <pietern> where?
[10:20] <rittyan_> pietern: in my company
[10:21] <rittyan_> it is a big company and we don't know what we are doing
[10:21] <rittyan_> too many people, too many projects
[10:21] <rittyan_> so we share knowledge from time to time
[10:21] <pietern> right, cool
[10:21] <pietern> which company?
[10:21] <rittyan_> http://company.yandex.com/
[10:22] <rittyan_> oh, and how master knows that slave is a slave? what is the magic word? Like, some I_AM_A_SLAVE command?
[10:23] <pietern> rittyan_: SYNC
[10:23] <pietern> when you call SLAVEOF on a client
[10:23] <pietern> it connects to the master
[10:23] <pietern> sends a SYNC
[10:23] <pietern> then the master knows it needs to do a BGSAVE
[10:23] <rittyan_> oh, right! I remember I did it manually with netcat session long time ago
[10:23] <pietern> hehe
[10:23] <rittyan_> pietern: what happens if I have two slaves, one connects to a master, master BGSAVES, then right after that another slave connects
[10:23] <rittyan_> will master use the old file?
[10:24] <rittyan_> or it will make two BGSAVEs at once? Or one after another?
[10:24] <pietern> rittyan_: yes
[10:24] <pietern> there will never be 2 background processes active at the same time
[10:24] <pietern> the second slave will use the same dump as the first slave
[10:24] <pietern> when the BGSAVE is done, however, a new BGSAVE will need to be made
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[10:25] <rittyan_> pietern: so if BGSAVE is active and we have slaves connecting to us, they all will share the same queue (of commands)?
[10:26] <rittyan_> content-wise, not C-pointer-wise :-)
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[10:27] <brettk> I think we're hitting https://github.com/antirez/redis/issues/91 (Redis should close the connection when the client output buffer is too big), and I added some info to that case; anyone else seen it happen that a pubsub client's output_list eats up all of the available memory? The client is node_redis.
[10:27] <pietern> rittyan_: yeps
[10:27] <rittyan_> pietern: I see! makes sense
[10:28] <rittyan_> Thank you very much for your time and explanation!
[10:28] <pietern> rittyan_: no problem, glad I could help
[10:28] <pietern> rittyan_: hope the talks goes well
[10:28] <rittyan_> you just saved me hours of reading C code :-)
[10:28] <pietern> brettk: yes, this can happen
[10:29] <rittyan_> (or, saved me from reading C code)
[10:29] <pietern> brettk: this is also something we need to take care of
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[10:30] <pietern> brettk: sometimes this can be caused not by a slow consumer, but by a super-fast producer who fans out to lots of subscribers
[10:30] <pietern> you can easily saturate 10gbe with that
[10:31] <brettk> that's kind of interesting. the producer is indeed pretty fast, but it only has 36 subscribers.
[10:32] <pietern> brettk: I've seen redis blow up with only 5 subscribers
[10:32] <pietern> if you publish at 100mbit, every subscriber takes 100mbit as well ;)
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[10:32] <brettk> true, true.
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[10:33] <pietern> brettk: it's something we want to take care of
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[10:34] <pietern> but in the mean time, if you have super-fast publishers, or need to peak out to disk or something
[10:34] <pietern> I'd recommend a pure message broker instead of redis pubsub
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[10:36] <brettk> well, i certainly need to make sure that we're not in fact flooding the network. i can put some redis pubsub slaves up as a stopgap and subscribe to those, which would reduce the number of clients going over the network by a factor of 10.
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[10:36] <pietern> setting up dedicated pub/sub slaves is a good one indeed
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[10:37] <pietern> although all pub/sub traffic is replicated, so you might have the same problem with 36 slaves
[10:37] <brettk> but yes, if it is the case that that's the problem, we'll think about changing messaging frameworks.
[10:37] <pietern> it depends on your app if you can apply this technique:
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[10:37] <pietern> but another way of going about it is to have 2 connections per subscriber: 1x a control line an 1x a data line
[10:37] <pietern> where you use pub/sub merely for notification
[10:38] <pietern> and pull data over the second connection (e.g. by GET)
[10:38] <pietern> then, you can duplicate notifications on the client side etc
[10:38] <pietern> and throttle in that way
[10:39] <brettk> you lost me. let me reread all of that.
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[10:40] <pietern> brettk: instead of pushing big payloads over pub/sub
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[10:41] <pietern> you actively GET them
[10:41] <pietern> and instead send only a couple of bytes per pub/sub message
[10:41] <pietern> thereby conserving precious bandwidth on the pub/sub side of things
[10:41] <brettk> oh, i see, notify that there is indeed such a message, but don't include the message unless the client needs it.
[10:41] <pietern> brettk: right
[10:42] <pietern> if the message is 1k, that's about 50k (including overhead) of outgoing data for your subscribers
[10:42] <pietern> do that 20 times per second and reach a megabit
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[10:42] <pietern> do that 2k times per second and you're at 100mbit
[10:42] <brettk> yep.
[10:42] <pietern> brettk: I'm saying, we definitely need to fix this
[10:43] <pietern> but we can only drop slow clients, maybe slow down producers a bit
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[10:43] <pietern> where another strategy may be a better fit
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[10:43] <Jrz> cool… now a textual app user…. used linkinus before (cost me damn lots!)
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[10:45] <brettk> i'll do some research and see what the network looks like -- we're not backing up very often, but you're right, i should certainly at least set up slaves to take the load off -- that would be an easy stopgap, as there are only 3 server boxes.
[10:45] <brettk> each with 12 procs.
[10:46] <brettk> the issue you point out with all pubsub traffic being replicated -- you're just saying that every slave will get all of the pubsub traffic, right?
[10:50] <brettk> pietern: thanks for the help!
[10:55] <pietern> brettk: yep, there is no master-side filtering
[10:55] <pietern> too complex
[10:55] <pietern> brettk: no problem, hope this helps alleviating the immediate pressure
[10:55] <pietern> with a more robust solution in the pipeline...
[10:56] <brettk> pietern: thanks!
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[13:42] <perezd> if I have a slave redis node, and I am doing pub/sub, can I hear pubs and subs on both nodes?
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[13:43] <christophe_> hi
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[13:46] <christophe_> I have to share Semaphore between few JVMs and thought about Redis to do that but runs into problems when using the pattern watch/multi. I think that watch/multi is only to mimic simple locks (on/off) right ?
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[13:59] <nopz___> Is it ok if I have 1 000 000 keys ( used as counter ) in my redis database?
[13:59] <rittyan_> why not
[13:59] <rittyan_> redis can have 2^32 keys
[14:00] <nopz___> I have a video website and each time one user click on a video i INCR counter
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[14:00] <rittyan_> nopz___: that's fine
[14:00] <nopz___> I think redis perfect for that
[14:00] <rittyan_> i have an auth backend and each time user uses a security token i INCR counter
[14:00] <rittyan_> millions of tokens, too
[14:00] <nopz___> I use mongodb and redis for counter and other low operations
[14:00] <rittyan_> good
[14:00] <nopz___> ok cool
[14:00] <nopz___> 13ms to print a page
[14:01] <nopz___> it's fine I think
[14:01] <nopz___> always less than 100 ms
[14:01] <rittyan_> that's good
[14:01] <nopz___> ok cool :)
[14:01] <rittyan_> but what is more important is how many parallel requests you can serve
[14:01] <rittyan_> :-)
[14:02] <nopz___> yeah going to test with ab
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[14:03] <willeh> nopz___: What are you using for the site, other than redis?
[14:03] <rittyan_> mongodb
[14:04] <nopz___> iyes
[14:04] <nopz___> yes
[14:04] <willeh> and for the app server?
[14:04] <nopz___> Flask ( python ) + uwsgi + nginx + mongodb and redis
[14:05] <rittyan_> nopz___: what template engine?
[14:05] <willeh> nopz___: Awesome :D
[14:05] <nopz___> Jinja2
[14:05] <rittyan_> I see
[14:05] <willeh> nopz___: haha, I'm using that for my redis powered site too
[14:05] <nopz___> :D
[14:05] <nopz___> same configuration ?
[14:06] <willeh> not exactly, I use twisted.web with cyclone
[14:06] <nopz___> why not gevent ?
[14:06] <mjr_> pietern: redis is saving the day for us as we scale out. Thanks for all of your work on it.
[14:07] <willeh> nopz___: Because twisted has fancy IRC and Email functionality
[14:07] <pietern> mjr_: awesome to hear!
[14:07] <nopz___> yeah :)
[14:07] <pietern> mjr_: did the zipmap settings change fragmentation?
[14:07] <mjr_> lowered CPU a lot
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[14:08] <pietern> mjr_: decreasing max-length?
[14:08] <mjr_> It must have been burning through conversions all the time.
[14:08] <mjr_> I left length at 64.
[14:08] <mjr_> But entries went from 512 to 4
[14:09] <pietern> mjr_: do you think you would have graphed the number of upconversions if it were exported by redis?
[14:09] <nopz___> ab -n 10000 -c 5 http://192.168.1.72:6969/ all request less than 100 ms actually
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[14:09] <mjr_> pietern: well, I would now. :)
[14:09] <pietern> mjr_: hehe
[14:09] <mjr_> But I wouldn't have known to do that.
[14:10] <pietern> right
[14:10] <pietern> it probably would have stood out in the INFO output though
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[14:11] <mjr_> We graph a ton of stuff, but nothing from info. Need to change that.
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[15:09] <willeh> Is there any performance loss from doing a HMGET (e.g. HMGET foo bar) for just a single key?
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[15:36] <nicholasf> hi, how do I delete an entire db inside of redis?
[15:36] <mjr_> flushdb
[15:36] <nicholasf> or, how do I delete a set fromit
[15:36] <nicholasf> thanks mjr_
[15:36] <nicholasf> flushdb 1?
[15:36] <mjr_> woah
[15:36] <mjr_> flushed flushes the whole thing
[15:36] <mjr_> del deletes a key
[15:36] <nicholasf> ok cool
[15:36] <nicholasf> gotcha
[15:37] nicholasf loves redis
[15:37] rittyan kinda loves redis
[15:37] <xb95> redis is a good tool to have
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[15:37] <rittyan> yes, better to have redis than not to have
[15:38] <rittyan> but having it the only storage for my system i experience some difficulties :-)
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[15:46] <nicholasf> rittyan: Im also using postgres
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[16:38] <nicholasf> anyone using the node_redis client? I can't get a grip on it
[16:38] <nicholasf> for example (in coffeescript) s = client.hget("items", "1", (e,r) -> console.log(r.toString())) means that the value of s is set to true
[16:39] <nicholasf> but the value in the hash that I want is dumped out too
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[16:54] <insin> nicholasf: the "s =" is superfluous, really - it's all about the callback, as with everything in Node
[16:55] <nicholasf> Im on a learning curve here but I find the node_redis client a very frustrating process tbh
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[16:55] <nicholasf> like I havent been able to find a single example of hget in all of the documentation or examples on github
[16:55] <nicholasf> the readme only has examples of group actions - smembers hkeys etc.
[16:56] <nicholasf> anyway, got it. Thanks mate
[16:56] <nicholasf> client.hget("items", "1", (e,r) -> @foo = r)
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[16:57] <insin> "this" might not be what you expect there
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[17:05] <willeh> nicholasf: yeah you probably want => @foo = r
[17:05] <willeh> nicholasf: "=>" means bound function in CoffeeScript
[17:06] <nicholasf> willeh: yeh, thanks. Ive read through coffeescript but am learning all of this at once
[17:06] <mjr_> nicholasf: become one with the callbacks
[17:06] nicholasf works on that
[17:06] <nicholasf> thanks guys
[17:06] <mjr_> The return value from the commands is the buffering status. Everything is async.
[17:06] <willeh> nicholasf: The problem of functions not being bound to their objects is one of the reasons I don't use Node
[17:07] <mjr_> There are examples of all commands in the test.js
[17:07] <nicholasf> willeh: I think Node is too big to dodge in the js world
[17:07] <nicholasf> mjr_: ok thanks
[17:07] <nicholasf> good stuff guys
[17:07] <willeh> nicholasf: well the flaw is with javascript in general not just node
[17:07] <mjr_> But hget is the same as get in this case.
[17:08] <mjr_> We have ES5 Function.prototype.bind() in node, so you can use that.
[17:08] <mjr_> Or just leverage closures to bind things together.
[17:09] <mjr_> https://github.com/mranney/node_redis
[17:09] <mjr_> check out examples, tests and test.'s
[17:09] <willeh> mjr_: yeah I think CoffeeScript does a good job of sorting it out
[17:09] <mjr_> er, test.js
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