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[11:21:50] ziyadb (~ziyadb@188.50.38.200) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:22:36] ltbarcly (~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-105-183.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [11:24:27] p1d (~p1d@ns1.vonaffenfels.de) joined #redis. [11:37:47] mhaberler (~mhaberler@195.191.253.94) joined #redis. [11:37:52] rb2k (~rb2k@HSI-KBW-078-042-087-217.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) joined #redis. [11:38:02] Nick change: wmoss|away -> wmoss [11:40:08] jondot (~jondot@bzq-84-110-24-236.red.bezeqint.net) joined #redis. [11:41:04] hi all, is there any redis solution that will allow holding 200M keys * around 10kb values ? [11:41:19] that is, sharding (if so, what best practices?) or cluster? [11:42:07] also, in the case that this is an important data (not a cache or memoization), would this be a good idea? [11:43:20] use jedis it has sharding builtin [11:46:52] no idea what that is... checking. [11:47:32] but this way i'll have to pre/over shard? [11:49:41] redis cluster is not ready for prime time yet [11:50:01] hackband (~hackband@1385159443.dhcp.dbnet.dk) joined #redis. [11:50:29] It's close enough to where you may consider it if your development time will be many months. [11:51:34] i see. [11:51:42] how about durability of data in redis? [11:52:30] There are options that allow a range of speed/durability tradeoffs. [11:53:13] but the default / recommended set up is for speed, correct? [11:53:31] that is, maybe redis was not designed to be a database like storage? [11:53:34] I'd never considered there to be a recommended setup. It's all relative to what you need. [11:54:55] Redis is quite different. If by "database like storage" you mean persistent data then I think it's fine for that. [11:55:01] Redis is certainly not good for every problem though. [11:55:39] hackband (~hackband@1385159443.dhcp.dbnet.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:57:19] Damm (~damm@acheron.livid.dk) joined #redis. [12:00:27] well yes, persistent data that doesn't get lost [12:00:30] mxp (~mxp@182.185.181.190) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:01:40] felixge (~felixgeis@91-65-245-141-dynip.superkabel.de) joined #redis. [12:01:40] felixge (~felixgeis@91-65-245-141-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Changing host [12:01:40] felixge (~felixgeis@miranda/donor/theundefined) joined #redis. [12:06:51] A common theme with new non-relational databases is that they let you trade durability for speed. Some don't let you have full durability, but redis does. You can do a append only file with a fsync after every append if you want. This would make your writes really slow but your reads would be speedy still. [12:07:32] i see. do people use redis for production in this way? [12:08:15] strmpnk (~strmpnk@cpe-74-68-154-219.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #redis. 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[14:51:17] brianseeders (~BS@108-216-88-132.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:51:35] kersny (~kersny@64.31.22.33) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:51:59] hlindset (~hlindset@unaffiliated/hlindset) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:54:11] hi there - this is 1st time i use this list - with a question - if i am sendign this to the wrong forum pls feel free to point me to the right one [14:54:51] the rather simple scenario i have for which i cannot see a simple redis solution (still a redis novice) is: [14:54:57] If i have say 100 clients wanting to know if one of 2 zsets have a new element in them. [14:55:03] An obvious solution to me seems to subscribe to a channel X where the producer process [14:55:09] "announces" a new addition to a zset, after it inserts it. However, i see a race here and [14:55:20] not sure if there is a way in redis to avoid easily - this is the case: [14:55:23] Time: Event [14:55:28] t1 : Client A starts and reads the zsets first to see if they have data [14:55:30] (with a multi/.../exec for both). It finds both are empty. [14:55:33] t2 : producer adds a new item to one of the zsets and announces to [14:55:40] kersny (~kersny@64.31.22.33) joined #redis. [14:55:52] t3 : client subscribes to channel X + blocks - it missed the anounce of t2 so it failed to see the event [14:56:22] this is it - is thre any creative way to avoid missing the event, avoiding the race, that is? maybe some type of locking available that i missed [14:56:36] (not i do not want to lock out producer from 100 or mroe clients) [14:58:17] brantley (~Adium@c-98-212-123-145.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #redis. [14:58:48] bmizerany (~bmizerany@204.28.124.126) joined #redis. [15:01:58] includex (~includex@bl17-151-104.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #redis. 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[21:46:21] robhu: What the use case for that? [21:47:27] Producer pushes 1,000,000 elements on to list. 200 workers are spawned that while work = redis.rpop("work") … end. Producer wants to block until the work is finished and then print "All finished" [21:48:07] Nick change: ezmobius -> ezmobius|zoning [21:48:14] So arrange for the consumers to set an event through either a different list (foo_empty) or over pub/sub [21:48:19] The producer could loop and poll with llen but that seems a bit backwards [21:48:27] hm [21:48:43] The consumers can do that on timeout (which should be the only reason why they timed out but they can check with llen if they like) [21:48:46] Yes… that and other sorts of things like that would work, but it seems unnecessarily klunky [21:49:01] on timeout? [21:49:39] Yes blocking BRPOP() has an optional timeout argument. [21:50:12] You give it a list of lists to blocking pop from and a timeout if nothing becomes available on any of the those queues. [21:50:22] hmm [21:50:23] ok [21:50:32] Thanks. I was hoping there'd be a monitor list size = 0 type thing [21:50:57] THus you can use a list of lists (queues) on Redis basically just like your lower-level code might use a select loop on a list of file descriptors. [21:51:46] Yes, but I prefer a design where the producer doesn't have to trust the workers to do anything [21:52:58] Well, if the producer is pushing things and consumers aren't running then the producer will keep blindly pushing things to a persistently growing list [21:53:06] Yes :) [21:53:26] I'd think you'd want to watch the llen as you push to see if no consumers are running [21:53:29] Polling llen is probably better because at least the producer can take actions if things aren't going as expected [21:53:52] In my actual use case there's just one big production at the beginning, it's not constant, but yes [21:54:14] Yes, signaling some factory to spawn (possibly remotely spawn) consumers. [21:54:20] I have been using redis for this queue example for a few years, but volunteered to give a talk at work on Redis, so looked in to whether there was a better way of doing some of the things I was doing! [21:54:35] Where to these consumers ship their results? [21:55:40] In our case one script creates a list of 70,000 ids. 200 workers are started on an LSF farm, and they while loop rpop-ing until they're done [21:56:04] I have to create 1.4 million webpages every week, with the pages corresponding to 70,000 ids (with multiple pages each) [21:56:09] Nick change: robhu -> RobHu [21:59:32] So, if the consumers, post events back through a "results" queue as they complete their work (perhaps: "DONE:$page_id") ... then you could them post "Q_EMPTY:$queue_name" event on the results que [21:59:47] (or pub/sub channel). [22:00:31] How would having a DONE:$page_id help me? [22:01:12] brianseeders (~BS@108-216-88-132.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [22:01:22] Because then you can track how quickly they're being done and see if any one, in particular, takes longer than others to process, stuff like that [22:02:20] The point is that you can also have other types of events on the same channel. [22:02:33] Also, as an aside - a few years ago people were saying "I get 100,000 GETs / s on my laptop"… I tried redis-benchmark on a 2.66Ghz Xeon, and I only got 65,000 /s. Is that normal? [22:04:03] JeremyWei (~textual@58.221.101.46) joined #redis. [22:05:26] martincozzi (~martincoz@c-67-188-32-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #redis. [22:10:59] Nick change: ezmobius|zoning -> ezmobius|zoning| [22:12:25] kushal (kdas@fedora/kushal) joined #redis. [22:16:03] 34k on a opteron 2.6 here. [22:17:43] hmm ok [22:25:46] What client libraries are you using? [22:26:28] It seems likely that you're single clients are the bottleneck .. what if you set up your redis server and have 4 or 5 clients hammering on it concurrently? [22:26:32] I don't know? I just downloaded 2.4.2 and ran it from there. [22:26:45] This is the redis-benchmark program, so I assume it is multithreaded etc [22:27:22] Well, if a single client/thread does ~64K GETs/s then what do two of them do on the same server? [22:27:35] Ahh. [22:27:54] It's just so I can put some numbers in my presentation :P [22:28:41] Also might make a difference if you run the benchmarking client on the same node as the Redis server [22:29:18] I suspect that will make it faster! [22:29:21] That's what I am doing. [22:31:20] ceej (~anonymous@cpe-72-190-40-203.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: ceej [22:39:02] stephank (~stephank@82.197.214.45) joined #redis. [22:42:11] The redis server won't go any faster with multiple clients connected to it by design. [22:42:52] It's single threaded using epoll. Multiplexing connections doesn't make much difference, and only one thread touching the data at a time. [22:43:47] I'd just assume redis-benchmark is optimal even though I haven't looked at it. *shrug* [22:46:11] I don't expect anything to be faster than redis by any major amount. [22:55:18] felixge (~felixgeis@miranda/donor/theundefined) joined #redis. [23:12:04] binarychef (~binaryche@adsl-74-226-66-100.mem.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: binarychef [23:17:55] But, if you run the benchmark and the server on a single core, single-processor system ... [23:20:09] I'm not sure. I don't know enough to guess about that. I'd want to measure. [23:21:15] On my system I have 4 CPUs and NUMA. Not going to guess about how that'd effect performance. [23:22:13] Basically in that case the clients running on our box should be totally independent of the server's performance (for up to three of them). [23:25:35] I'd measure. 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