#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-11-20 (txt)

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[09:23] <mxp> redis is single threaded
[09:24] <mxp> will redis not be handling any other data from socket while it is handling 1?
[09:24] <mxp> like i sent operation batch of 5 while
[09:24] <mxp> the set of operations are streaming redis won't be handling other connections?
[09:25] <ron> first come first served
[09:25] <mxp> ron, so if 1 client is stuck streaming data others would be waiting right?
[09:25] <mxp> anetRead seems to do reading in blocked way
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[09:26] <ron> hmm... I'm actually not sure about it.
[09:26] <mxp> anybody who has seen internal code?
[09:27] <mxp> redis is which opensource licence
[09:27] <mxp> ?
[09:27] <ron> BSD
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[11:41] <jondot> hi all, is there any redis solution that will allow holding 200M keys * around 10kb values ?
[11:41] <jondot> that is, sharding (if so, what best practices?) or cluster?
[11:42] <jondot> also, in the case that this is an important data (not a cache or memoization), would this be a good idea?
[11:43] <mxp> use jedis it has sharding builtin
[11:46] <jondot> no idea what that is... checking.
[11:47] <jondot> but this way i'll have to pre/over shard?
[11:49] <mxp> redis cluster is not ready for prime time yet
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[11:50] <vsmatck> It's close enough to where you may consider it if your development time will be many months.
[11:51] <jondot> i see.
[11:51] <jondot> how about durability of data in redis?
[11:52] <vsmatck> There are options that allow a range of speed/durability tradeoffs.
[11:53] <jondot> but the default / recommended set up is for speed, correct?
[11:53] <jondot> that is, maybe redis was not designed to be a database like storage?
[11:53] <vsmatck> I'd never considered there to be a recommended setup. It's all relative to what you need.
[11:54] <vsmatck> Redis is quite different. If by "database like storage" you mean persistent data then I think it's fine for that.
[11:55] <vsmatck> Redis is certainly not good for every problem though.
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[12:00] <jondot> well yes, persistent data that doesn't get lost
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[12:06] <vsmatck> A common theme with new non-relational databases is that they let you trade durability for speed. Some don't let you have full durability, but redis does. You can do a append only file with a fsync after every append if you want. This would make your writes really slow but your reads would be speedy still.
[12:07] <jondot> i see. do people use redis for production in this way?
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[12:11] <vsmatck> Honestly I haven't looked for people using it in 'maximum durability mode'.
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[14:54] <guest1> hi there - this is 1st time i use this list - with a question - if i am sendign this to the wrong forum pls feel free to point me to the right one
[14:54] <guest1> the rather simple scenario i have for which i cannot see a simple redis solution (still a redis novice) is:
[14:54] <guest1> If i have say 100 clients wanting to know if one of 2 zsets have a new element in them.
[14:55] <guest1> An obvious solution to me seems to subscribe to a channel X where the producer process
[14:55] <guest1> "announces" a new addition to a zset, after it inserts it. However, i see a race here and
[14:55] <guest1> not sure if there is a way in redis to avoid easily - this is the case:
[14:55] <guest1> Time: Event
[14:55] <guest1> t1 : Client A starts and reads the zsets first to see if they have data
[14:55] <guest1> (with a multi/.../exec for both). It finds both are empty.
[14:55] <guest1> t2 : producer adds a new item to one of the zsets and announces to
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[14:55] <guest1> t3 : client subscribes to channel X + blocks - it missed the anounce of t2 so it failed to see the event
[14:56] <guest1> this is it - is thre any creative way to avoid missing the event, avoiding the race, that is? maybe some type of locking available that i missed
[14:56] <guest1> (not i do not want to lock out producer from 100 or mroe clients)
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[17:18] <crankharder> how can I get redis to tell me the exact score instead of "1.3218381929411122e+27"
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[18:47] <yiloveyi> hi
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[21:33] <robhu> I can use blrpop to block if a list is empty, but is there a way to block UNTIL a list is empty?
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[21:46] <AnswerGuy> robhu: What the use case for that?
[21:47] <robhu> Producer pushes 1,000,000 elements on to list. 200 workers are spawned that while work = redis.rpop("work") … end. Producer wants to block until the work is finished and then print "All finished"
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[21:48] <AnswerGuy> So arrange for the consumers to set an event through either a different list (foo_empty) or over pub/sub
[21:48] <robhu> The producer could loop and poll with llen but that seems a bit backwards
[21:48] <robhu> hm
[21:48] <AnswerGuy> The consumers can do that on timeout (which should be the only reason why they timed out but they can check with llen if they like)
[21:48] <robhu> Yes… that and other sorts of things like that would work, but it seems unnecessarily klunky
[21:49] <robhu> on timeout?
[21:49] <AnswerGuy> Yes blocking BRPOP() has an optional timeout argument.
[21:50] <AnswerGuy> You give it a list of lists to blocking pop from and a timeout if nothing becomes available on any of the those queues.
[21:50] <robhu> hmm
[21:50] <robhu> ok
[21:50] <robhu> Thanks. I was hoping there'd be a monitor list size = 0 type thing
[21:50] <AnswerGuy> THus you can use a list of lists (queues) on Redis basically just like your lower-level code might use a select loop on a list of file descriptors.
[21:51] <robhu> Yes, but I prefer a design where the producer doesn't have to trust the workers to do anything
[21:52] <AnswerGuy> Well, if the producer is pushing things and consumers aren't running then the producer will keep blindly pushing things to a persistently growing list
[21:53] <robhu> Yes :)
[21:53] <AnswerGuy> I'd think you'd want to watch the llen as you push to see if no consumers are running
[21:53] <robhu> Polling llen is probably better because at least the producer can take actions if things aren't going as expected
[21:53] <robhu> In my actual use case there's just one big production at the beginning, it's not constant, but yes
[21:54] <AnswerGuy> Yes, signaling some factory to spawn (possibly remotely spawn) consumers.
[21:54] <robhu> I have been using redis for this queue example for a few years, but volunteered to give a talk at work on Redis, so looked in to whether there was a better way of doing some of the things I was doing!
[21:54] <AnswerGuy> Where to these consumers ship their results?
[21:55] <robhu> In our case one script creates a list of 70,000 ids. 200 workers are started on an LSF farm, and they while loop rpop-ing until they're done
[21:56] <robhu> I have to create 1.4 million webpages every week, with the pages corresponding to 70,000 ids (with multiple pages each)
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[21:59] <AnswerGuy> So, if the consumers, post events back through a "results" queue as they complete their work (perhaps: "DONE:$page_id") ... then you could them post "Q_EMPTY:$queue_name" event on the results que
[21:59] <AnswerGuy> (or pub/sub channel).
[22:00] <RobHu> How would having a DONE:$page_id help me?
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[22:01] <AnswerGuy> Because then you can track how quickly they're being done and see if any one, in particular, takes longer than others to process, stuff like that
[22:02] <AnswerGuy> The point is that you can also have other types of events on the same channel.
[22:02] <RobHu> Also, as an aside - a few years ago people were saying "I get 100,000 GETs / s on my laptop"… I tried redis-benchmark on a 2.66Ghz Xeon, and I only got 65,000 /s. Is that normal?
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[22:16] <vsmatck> 34k on a opteron 2.6 here.
[22:17] <RobHu> hmm ok
[22:25] <AnswerGuy> What client libraries are you using?
[22:26] <AnswerGuy> It seems likely that you're single clients are the bottleneck .. what if you set up your redis server and have 4 or 5 clients hammering on it concurrently?
[22:26] <RobHu> I don't know? I just downloaded 2.4.2 and ran it from there.
[22:26] <RobHu> This is the redis-benchmark program, so I assume it is multithreaded etc
[22:27] <AnswerGuy> Well, if a single client/thread does ~64K GETs/s then what do two of them do on the same server?
[22:27] <AnswerGuy> Ahh.
[22:27] <RobHu> It's just so I can put some numbers in my presentation :P
[22:28] <AnswerGuy> Also might make a difference if you run the benchmarking client on the same node as the Redis server
[22:29] <RobHu> I suspect that will make it faster!
[22:29] <RobHu> That's what I am doing.
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[22:42] <vsmatck> The redis server won't go any faster with multiple clients connected to it by design.
[22:42] <vsmatck> It's single threaded using epoll. Multiplexing connections doesn't make much difference, and only one thread touching the data at a time.
[22:43] <vsmatck> I'd just assume redis-benchmark is optimal even though I haven't looked at it. *shrug*
[22:46] <vsmatck> I don't expect anything to be faster than redis by any major amount.
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[23:17] <AnswerGuy> But, if you run the benchmark and the server on a single core, single-processor system ...
[23:20] <vsmatck> I'm not sure. I don't know enough to guess about that. I'd want to measure.
[23:21] <vsmatck> On my system I have 4 CPUs and NUMA. Not going to guess about how that'd effect performance.
[23:22] <AnswerGuy> Basically in that case the clients running on our box should be totally independent of the server's performance (for up to three of them).
[23:25] <vsmatck> I'd measure.
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