#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-11-16 (txt)

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[03:19] <shantanu> hi
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[07:41] <mjy> hi, anyone alive?
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[07:45] <Kronuz> hello
[07:46] <Kronuz> how come if I try to use a database in redis, databases beyond 15 are invalid and return an error? …seems there's only available databases [0-15]
[07:46] <Kronuz> ??
[07:47] <mjy> that's configured in redis.conf, default is 16 databases afair
[07:47] <mjy> so just configure more if you need them
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[10:15] <matschaffer> hello, I'd like a redis 2.4 rpm for CentOS 5.5. Anyone have any pointers on how to do this with as little pain as possible? thanks in advance.
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[10:25] <sigmonsay> is there a redis gui for exploring a redis database?
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[10:30] <matschaffer> sigmonsay: I usually use redis-cli. Or since I often use redis for resque, I'll browse a bit on resque-web
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[10:32] <sigmonsay> cool, not a big deal, just exploring someone else redis stuff. Have no idea what object types are and what not
[10:32] <matschaffer> sigmonsay: hrm… yeah, both those methods don't make the object types obvious
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[10:46] <matschaffer> sigmonsay: tried this? http://www.servicestack.net/RedisAdminUI/AjaxClient/
[10:46] <matschaffer> gh repo here https://github.com/ServiceStack/ServiceStack.RedisWebServices
[10:48] <matschaffer> this looks neat too https://github.com/tnm/redweb
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[13:25] <reso> guys
[13:26] <rittyan> sup
[13:26] <reso> i was wondering if it is ever possible to leave a append only log in an inconsistent state with regards to transactions
[13:27] <rittyan> it is possible to leave an AOF in an inconsistent state
[13:27] <reso> basically if we die cold in the middle of a transaction do we end up with a log which results in an inconsistent dataset once re-loaded
[13:28] <reso> :(
[13:29] <rittyan> I don't know :|
[13:29] <rittyan> maybe redis is smart and knows that if AOF is read till the end and there is an unfinished transaction - it drops it
[13:29] <reso> maybe i should hit up the mailing list?
[13:29] <rittyan> maybe not :-)
[13:29] <rittyan> reso: or try it yourself. Make a transaction then edit AOF and try to start redis
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[13:32] <reso> well actually the major concern is that it's true for the scripting
[13:32] <reso> yup, i will write some tests... just wondered if it was already covered etc.
[13:32] <reso> normally you bring thing kind of thing up in the database world and your instantly batted to death with consistency tests ;)
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[14:21] <yukonbob> hello, #redis
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[14:35] <matschaffer> #redis: hello yukonbob
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[14:37] <Sam___> Hi, guys. Anybody here?
[14:37] <arek_deepinit> matschaffer: is lua scrippting to be added in 2.4.*?
[14:37] <arek_deepinit> if u know maybe :)
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[14:38] <matschaffer> arek_deepinit: I haven't the slightest idea. I mostly use redis for resque and caching
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[14:38] <arek_deepinit> i c :)
[14:38] <arek_deepinit> cheers
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[14:39] <Sam___> anybody knows - whats better 1. 1.5 millions of sets or hash with 1,5 million strings (JSON-packed arrays)?
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[17:19] <queonda> when using multiple databases in a single redis instance, what is the benefit to that splitup?
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[18:05] <mjr_> queonda: you can have multiple different keys with the same name, for example.
[18:05] <mjr_> Note that this feature is slated for removal in the forthcoming redis cluster.
[18:07] <queonda> mjr_: just saw that about removal … clustering will be necessary for my use. any idea why the VM is going away?
[18:07] <mjr_> vm never really worked right
[18:09] <queonda> i see - hopefully i'll get to deploy a cluster of machines for this anyway
[18:09] <queonda> initial use case has been amazing!
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[18:41] <darluc> I have a dictionary with about 20,000,000 word items. And I'm using key to search for value. Should I save the dictionary into one single hash? Or is it better to save the dictionary as a form of key to value. I found that "keys are always kept in memory" in redis. But I wonder how redis fetch a hash value(HGET command). Will it load the whole hash value into memory?
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[19:11] <mjr_> darluc: both keys and values are kept in memory.
[19:12] <mjr_> It is an in-memory database.
[19:12] <darluc> in case of the memory doesn't fit the data size, what will happen?
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[19:14] <darluc> in the documentation, it describes like that it might end up blocking clients in order to fetch the values from disk if we use VM.
[19:15] <mjr_> yeah, vm doesn't really work so well
[19:15] <mjr_> If the db doesn't fit into memory, then you start swapping at the OS level. If it doesn't fit into virtual memory, then you lose.
[19:16] <darluc> I'm afraid that I don't have enough RAM
[19:16] <mjr_> There have been a couple of attempts to address the issue of dataset larger than available memory, but neither have worked satisfactorily.
[19:17] <mjr_> Sorry for the bad news. Redis is really great, but it does have its limitations.
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[19:20] <darluc> I see. I wonder are there any differences between the hash keys and the orign keys.
[19:21] <darluc> we can just keep all the hash keys in memory, if we fetch just one hash value. Will redis keep all the hash values in memory too?
[19:22] <mjr_> The entire database is in memory, yes.
[19:22] <darluc> I know..
[19:22] <mjr_> 20M items seems reasonable though. How big are the values?
[19:23] <darluc> 4G
[19:23] <darluc> I just have 2G RAM
[19:23] <mjr_> ouch. That's a long way off.
[19:24] <darluc> x_x
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[19:25] <darluc> so redis is not fit for my situation?
[19:25] <mjr_> I don't think so, unfortunately. Sounds like you need to get your disk drive involved.
[19:25] <mjr_> or buy some more memory.
[19:26] <darluc> oops, thank you very much
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[21:31] <dkog> mjr_: You said multiple database support is slated to be removed?
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[21:43] <ron> yup
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[21:50] <dkog> Why?
[21:50] <ron> because it's not really needed.
[21:50] <dkog> I haven't used it yet, but I liked the fact that it was available and was numeric so didn't require planning names and such.
[21:51] <dkog> Is the theory that you can run multiple Redis instances instead, or that nobody was using it at all?
[21:52] <ron> the theory is that you can emulate multiple databases with one database, afaik.
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