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[05:16] <sfar> i'm new to redis and nosql type options...
[05:16] <sfar> trying to find out if redis has read or write locks?
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[05:17] <ron> not quite.
[05:17] <ron> the locks aren't really needed. at most you have optimistic locking.
[05:17] <sfar> so does it have the issues like mongo where it does gloal locks?
[05:17] <sfar> ah ok
[05:18] <ron> it has different issues. redis, unlike mongo, is single-threaded.
[05:19] <sfar> single threaded for both read and write?
[05:19] <ron> single threaded for everything.
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[05:25] <ron> I realize this may be a bit confusing.
[05:27] <sfar> actually it's a bit confusing
[05:27] <sfar> after reading http://redis.io/topics/transactions
[05:28] <ron> well, try asking specific questions.. I may be able to assist :)
[05:28] <sfar> i'm trying to find out if i get a write intensive operation from 500+ clients... what will happen
[05:29] <ron> hmm, it'll work?
[05:30] <sfar> but at what point will these concurrent writes start queing...
[05:31] <ron> considering it's single-threaded? immediately.
[05:31] <sfar> fyi, i background is really oracle.... so i'm really new to the nosql environment...
[05:31] ron nods
[05:31] <sfar> but VERY interested in implementing it...
[05:32] <ron> that's okay. I had about 10 years of experience with RDBMS before moving to NOSQL, so I can understand the confusion.
[05:35] <sfar> thank you for the help! i've got a lot of studying to do about nosql, but it definately seems to run magnitudes faster than oracle :)
[05:36] <ron> yup. keep in mind it's all about picking the right tool for the job.
[05:36] <ron> it's not that oracle is bad for all jobs.
[05:37] <ron> and if it works for you, you may want to reconsider changing it.
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[08:00] <abki|home> hi,
[08:00] <abki|home> could anyone provide me a usecase for the Hashes datastructure ?
[08:01] <ron> sure.
[08:02] <abki|home> I'm wondering why would I need a hash datastructure since redis is already a hash... both Keys commands and Hashes commands looks the same, why would I need to use Hashes instead of keys ?
[08:02] <ron> it's great for when you want to store hashes.
[08:02] <abki|home> ron, but redis is already a hash
[08:03] <ron> right, but let's say you have a customer record, with name, age, address. you could store each in a different key, or you could have a customer hash with those fields. now tell me, which would be easier to read in bulk? :)
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[08:05] <abki|home> ron, if GET supported mutiple arguments they would be no need for hashes for this usecase
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[08:06] <abki|home> that said it will still be easier to use Hashes
[08:06] <ron> it's also quite useful for the SORT command.
[08:08] <abki|home> ron, thx
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[08:16] <abki|home> is redis multithreaded ? or are they configurations where it is ?
[08:17] <ron> single-threaded.
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[12:03] <cyborg> hey dude
[12:03] <cyborg> s
[12:03] <cyborg> I have a collection of hashes all with keys of the form i:*
[12:04] <cyborg> when I query the collection using keys i:<query>* am i made slower by the fact that all the keys start with 'i:'
[12:05] <cyborg> would the query be faster if i dropped the prefix and just did <query>* ?
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[16:00] <progolferyo> im starting to use redis in my new application that previously just DB / memcache. The previous schema had one big object per users, and each object had three lists. Would you recommend me splitting these out in redis so that i just have three key's per user and utilize the built-in red is list functionality?
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[16:08] <progolferyo> any suggestions ?
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[19:54] <abki|home> hi
[19:56] <abki|home> my understanding is that redis use only one socket both client side and server side to do all it's stuff, is that true ?
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[20:04] <vsmatck> Mostly true. You can share one connection but there are complication with certain commands. One example is blocking commands.
[20:05] <abki|home> that's what I'm interested in.
[20:06] <abki|home> there is only one server and one client
[20:06] <abki|home> so the connection is not shared
[20:06] <vsmatck> Ah. I understand now.
[20:07] <abki|home> by anyone else but the client which does the BLPOP
[20:07] <abki|home> now another client comes add something to the list
[20:07] <abki|home> the same socket is used to receive the message from client 2 and send the value to client 1
[20:08] <abki|home> is that it ?
[20:09] <vsmatck> I'm a bit confused again. So two clients, one redis server. One client is doing PUSH and the other BLPOP?
[20:10] <vsmatck> s/PUSH/RPUSH
[20:11] <abki|home> I think I got it
[20:11] <abki|home> both server and client use one port
[20:12] <abki|home> one port == one socket
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