#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-11-10 (txt)

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[01:05] <dams> hello
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[01:23] <dams> question : does a set consume much more memory than a list ?
[01:24] <dams> in other languages, hash table consumes more ram than arrays. What's the status in redis ?
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[01:34] <saroj> Hi while compiling my c apllication with redis and hiredis I got the following error
[01:34] <saroj> Can anyone please help
[01:34] <saroj> hello
[01:35] <saroj> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/local/lib/libhiredis.so when searching for -lhiredis
[01:35] <saroj> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhiredis
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[04:53] <lotrpy> hello, is there any way to enumerate all keys one by one, not to consume too much memory for a full keys ...
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[05:01] <rittyan> lotrpy: it would be inconsistent
[05:02] <rittyan> i.e. you iterated over a key and then it got deleted
[05:02] <lotrpy> rittyan, thanks for the feedback. my script is the only user of redis. so maybe I don't need worry about it.
[05:03] <rittyan> your case is very special
[05:03] <rittyan> anyway there is no way at the moment
[05:03] <rittyan> at least I am unaware of it :-)
[05:03] <lotrpy> I want push a access log to redis, url_a in one line -> redis incr(url_a, 1), after push the data, I want get the top N hot urls
[05:04] <rittyan> lotrpy: try sorted sets
[05:04] <rittyan> they may help
[05:04] <lotrpy> the number of url is very huge,
[05:04] <rittyan> okay (?)
[05:05] <lotrpy> does sorted sets help here? sorry for my broken English. I think maybe ("url", click_number) is enough, every url is a key, the click number is it's value
[05:07] <rittyan> lotrpy: sorted sets may help, I don't know. A former co-worker implemented a recommendation system (popular links, too) using sorted sets
[05:07] <rittyan> I never used them in my project, though
[05:09] <lotrpy> rittyan, thanks, I'll check sorted set then, though I can't understand how to handle this problem with sorted set yet.
[05:10] <rittyan> lotrpy: add urls into sorted set
[05:10] <rittyan> increase score for popular urls, something like that :D
[05:10] rittyan shrugs
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[05:11] <lotrpy> for example, the same log is "url_a\n\url_b\n\url_a", I want get the top 1 hot link is url_a( 2 clicks), don't know how to do this with sorted sets?
[05:11] <lotrpy> oh...
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[05:23] <lotrpy> rittyan, I don't think sorted set help this, because I don't need sort all urls, the sorted set will consume much more memory and time than the simple int value in this case.
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[05:44] <rittyan> lotrpy: you want to sort urls by popularity
[05:52] <lotrpy> rittyan, I just want get the top N hot url, we can get this by some heaq trick.
[05:52] <lotrpy> sort is too expensive maybe
[05:53] <lotrpy> time to go to bed, thanks for your help, see you in the next life, brother:~
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[06:48] <antirez> Hi!
[06:48] <antirez> somebody with five minutes of time for some command name brainstorming around here?
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[06:49] <mrshogun> hi antirez
[06:49] <mrshogun> :P
[06:49] <antirez> mrshogun: hola
[06:49] <antirez> I'm dropping the current API for the millisecond resolution expires
[06:49] <antirez> now it is (in the ttlres branch) something like:
[06:49] <antirez> EXPIRE foo 1000 ms
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[06:50] <mrshogun> i dont believe it makes sense
[06:50] <antirez> but that additional "ms" argument is bad after all for a number of reasons
[06:50] <antirez> better to add two command names...
[06:50] <davedbsd> hi antires, are you the author of visitors web log analyzer?
[06:50] <antirez> davedbsd: yes
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[06:51] <davedbsd> may I ask you a thing about it?
[06:51] <antirez> davedbsd: it's a lot of time I don't touch it… but you can try
[06:51] <gnrfan> antirez: just found your tweet.. joining in
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[06:51] <antirez> btw about that TTL stuff… the proposal is something like
[06:51] <antirez> XTTL and XEXPIRE
[06:51] <davedbsd> do you plan (or planned) to include in the output a separation based on vhosts?
[06:52] <antirez> that work exactly like TTL and EXPIRE, but accepting arguments (and returning output) in milliseconds
[06:52] <antirez> davedbsd: I don't think I'll be able to work on that much… too many stuff to do with Redis for now
[06:53] <davedbsd> ok, thank you :)
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[06:53] <pyr> antirez: why don't you just accept the lowest possible time granularity, i don't see how it could be a problem for clients to speak in msecs (it's only a * 1000 away)
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[06:53] <antirez> pyr: can't break the API unfortunately
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[06:54] <antirez> pyr: I need to go for a backward compatible solution
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[06:54] <antirez> this is how APIs get mess ;)
[06:54] <pyr> indeed
[06:54] <pyr> but point taken
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[06:55] <antirez> maybe the best prefix can be "P" as for precision
[06:55] <antirez> PTTL and PEXIRE
[06:55] <antirez> PEXPIRE I mean
[06:56] <antirez> the reason I can't use MSTTL and MSEXPIRE is that in the Redis API usually the "M" prefix is used for multi-argument variants of commands that are single argument
[06:56] <antirez> like MGET, MSET, ...
[06:57] <stopforumspam> how will that impact sharding? :)
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[06:58] <antirez> stopforumspam: completely unrelated to sharding
[06:59] <stopforumspam> while youre here antirez, i was wondering if there is an easier way to do a read only sync other than to put a slave node in front of a master and disable all the nasty commands, flushdb etc? Im trying to stop a hacked slave node (on a vps) to being able to tunnel back and wipe out my master
[06:59] <gnrfan> antirez: like more PEXPIRE over XEXPIRE
[06:59] <stopforumspam> i would have several thousand forums and blogs on my case
[07:00] <antirez> stopforumspam: currently it is not possible, however there are plans for adding read-only slaves in the future
[07:00] <antirez> gnrfan: yes… me too, at least it means something, that can help memorizing it
[07:00] <stopforumspam> great, thanks. I tried it wioth the redis-sharing perl module and it didnt work very well
[07:01] <gnrfan> antirez: i'm staring at the word XEXPIRE in my monitor and it somehow twistes my eye :/
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[07:01] <gnrfan> twists that is
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[07:02] <antirez> ok so let's go for… PTTL, PEXPIRE, and PSETEX :)
[07:02] <antirez> zoo or later in Redis 100.0.0 we'll get a chance to refactor the API
[07:04] <gnrfan> antirez: those commands look and feel great to me.. at least staring at them :)
[07:05] <antirez> gnrfan: ok ;) the current solution avoided new commands, but it is probably not better
[07:05] <antirez> optional suffixes work well in some case, but TTL, EXPIRE, and other commands are too much possible target for varargs versions indeed..
[07:06] <antirez> ok, starting with the implementation of the new commands. Thanks
[07:06] <gnrfan> antirez: the other day I got a chance to pitch redis to the organizers of startechconf.com in Chile.. I hope they choose to invite you or Pietern next year.. it was a massive success.. massive
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[07:06] <antirez> gnrfan: thanks, unfortunately I can very rarely go to confs… :(
[07:07] <gnrfan> antirez: let's see what happens.. maybe someone else what I would be great to have Redis represented
[07:07] <antirez> gnrfan: indeed...
[07:07] <antirez> in the past I discovered that going to confs kills too much productivity
[07:08] <antirez> and I have to reserve the few times I can travel to go to VMware :)
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[07:11] <Kosma> aaah, Good Sir Antirez :)
[07:11] <Kosma> you are the hero of our entire department ;)
[07:11] <antirez> Kosma: thanks, I hope you picked the right hero ;) I would go for Superman instead
[07:12] <Kosma> Superman can't perform 50k heroic acts per second :)
[07:13] <antirez> lol
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[07:15] <Kosma> antirez: I've been wondering, do you have any other job besides working on Redis?
[07:16] <antirez> Kosma: I'm something like a CEO of a very small company doing iPhone/iPad development, but don't do any coding task for them. Just advising the company 30 minutes per day more or less.
[07:16] <antirez> so 95% of my time is on Redis full time
[07:16] <antirez> but currently there is also the Redis book taking time
[07:17] <antirez> (I consider efforts used for the Redis book, Redis efforts)
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[07:20] <Kosma> wow
[07:20] <Kosma> a free hacker :)
[07:20] <Kosma> that's rare those days
[07:21] <antirez> Kosma: well VMware pays my bills… only reason why I can do just Redis :)
[07:21] <antirez> otherwise that would not be possible at all
[07:21] <Kosma> but still... VMware pays you to hack, right?
[07:22] <antirez> Kosma: yes, just to improve Redis
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[07:51] <mrb_bk> antirez: hello sir!
[07:52] <radsaq> antirez: you should irc all the time ;)
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[07:52] <antirez> mrb_bk: radsaq: hello! I like IRC but it is not friend of productivity ;)
[07:53] <mrb_bk> IRC and productivity are sworn enemies
[07:53] <radsaq> antirez: cook your risotto in a pressure cooker, and then you'll have plenty of extra time to be productive ;)
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[07:55] <antirez> radsaq: ;)
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[08:01] <mrb_bk> antirez: if you have a second could you give me a hint about calculating lengths of string values in the dump file?
[08:02] <antirez> mrb_bk: sorry need to go as my wife remained without battery in the car
[08:02] <antirez> but I'll surely do that later
[08:02] <mrb_bk> okay! thank you! i'll keep hacking at it
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[08:15] <logix812> I'm thinking of using redis for a forum system. I was thinking of using Lists to store the threads. Pagination would be performed via LRANGE on those lists. My question is, this may end up creating a LOT of lists, and some of those lists could be very long. The content will only be text, not images etc. Are there any limits (outside of memory) I should be aware of with this approach?
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[09:06] <mrshogun> antirez are you still there?
[09:06] <mrshogun> ive been busy since i asked you wich irc server are you using
[09:06] <mrshogun> but i really need ur help
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[09:15] <logix812> I'm thinking of using redis for a forum system. I was thinking of using Lists to store the threads. Pagination would be performed via LRANGE on those lists. My question is, this may end up creating a LOT of lists, and some of those lists could be very long. The content will only be text, not images etc. Are there any limits (outside of memory) I should be aware of with this approach?
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[10:44] <soapyillusions> When using eval, you need to pass the keys which will be used, what if this key is dynamically generated in LUA. Example = ''' id=redis.call('incr', KEY[1]) redis.call('hmset', ARG[1] + '::' + id) '''
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[10:50] <Brend> Hi! Is it safe to back up an AOF file by just copying it?
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[10:58] <tx0> t
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[11:35] <crankharder> can I get the nth -> mth items from a zset?
[11:35] <rittyan> what do you mean?
[11:35] <rittyan> also look there: http://redis.io/commands#sorted_set
[11:36] <crankharder> like... sort by the score and return the 5th -> 10th items
[11:38] <mjr_> http://redis.io/commands/zrangebyscore
[11:40] <crankharder> that assumes i know the score
[11:41] <crankharder> so, say i have this: http://pastie.org/2843415
[11:41] <mjr_> oh, then you want zrange
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[11:41] <crankharder> and, given 2 and 3, return 750 and 650
[11:41] <crankharder> yea, der
[11:42] <mjr_> took me a while to really get what sorted sets were doing and how to use them.
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[11:44] <EyePulp> so I'm fairly new to redis, and we're using it in limited cases on some production stuff, but I'd like to learn more of the fundamentals. I looked @ the Redis Cookbook, but was curious if there were other books that are recommended or useful for learning the tricks & techniques for getting the most out of Redis.
[11:44] <crankharder> thanx :)
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[11:46] <mjr_> EyePulp: I think most people just figure it out by looking at other code, which is not so efficient.
[11:47] <EyePulp> mjr_: it seems like a good way to repeat mistakes if you lack fundamentals and just copy other's techniques.
[11:47] <mjr_> Indeed.
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[11:47] <EyePulp> And I think I lack fundamentals (or could get a lot more out of Redis in general with more background on it)
[11:47] <mjr_> Antirez is working on a book.
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[11:48] <EyePulp> I see that on Amazon - I'd be curious when it's coming out
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[12:58] <adammck> does anyone have any idea why the 'redis' package on fedora 15 depends on a ton of X11 packages?
[12:59] <adammck> (i know that this is not strictly redis-related. sorry.)
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[13:00] <rittyan> adammck: prolly it depends on x11 indirectly?
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[13:03] <adammck> rittyan: ugh. yeah. it appears that redis depends on google-perftools, which depends on graphviz, which depends on a ton of X11 junk.
[13:03] <adammck> thanks for the tip.
[13:03] <rittyan> google-perftools for jmalloc or something like that?
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[13:03] <rittyan> tcmalloc, i don't remember
[13:04] <adammck> yeah, tcmalloc.
[13:04] <rittyan> i remember it was an experimental branch
[13:04] <rittyan> hmmm
[13:04] <rittyan> tcmalloc doesn't work on 64bit according to documentation
[13:04] <rittyan> maybe I am wrong, but that's how I remember it
[13:04] <adammck> there appears to be a x84_64 package, so i'm assuming that someone fixed it.
[13:05] <rittyan> adammck: it's 2.2 version of redis, right?
[13:05] <rittyan> because 2.4 should use jmalloc afaik
[13:05] <adammck> yeah, it's 2.2.5.
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[13:06] <rittyan> adammck: i'd get 2.4 asap
[13:06] <rittyan> have to update our redis nodes myself soon
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[13:10] <sigmonsay> Am I missing where redis could be used as a btree?
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[18:21] <kevinclark> hi there. I'm trying to build a freshly pulled redis repo (b9031458) on OS X 10.7.2 with gcc 4.2.1, and I'm getting a linker error at the end: https://gist.github.com/35a8031570a9e604f4ac
[18:21] <kevinclark> anyone seen this?
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[20:16] <CrazyGir> hello! I am considering using redis for a situation (and in a way) that would result in redis clusters having thousands of small to medium sized databases - how does redis hold up in cases like this? would this stress out redis or does it handle lots of databases well?
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[21:04] <vsmatck> Redis cluster doesn't support multiple databases.
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[21:11] <CrazyGir> I guess that will not work then. are multiple dbs not really a focal point for redis?
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[21:19] <vsmatck> I'm not sure. In the context of cluster they don't work well.
[21:20] <CrazyGir> interesting, ok
[21:21] <CrazyGir> I am investigating whether or not I can have redis replace ldap on a need for a directory, primarily serving out vcard information for contacts, but specifically ensuring there are some physical barriers to crossing "domain" boundaries
[21:22] <CrazyGir> for example, in ldap, searching w/ default filter by a domain
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[21:30] <bartj> in the latest redis version, can I swap the databases ?
[21:31] <bartj> eg, I have two databases: blah1 and blah2 that I want to add to redis
[21:31] <bartj> but, I do not have enough memory
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[21:38] <bartj> er, anyone ?
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[22:32] <CrazyGir> could you not export only one? and then start up a new instance with that one inported?
[22:32] <CrazyGir> *imported
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