#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-11-08 (txt)

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[01:32] <ptrb> I want to be able to query for hashes which contain a field F with value V. I understand that's not directly possible, so what's the most-sane way to build an indexing mechanism on top of the hashes to get me that query-ability?
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[07:16] <jrydberg_> any timeframe for redis cluster?
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[07:25] <seppo00101> @jrydberg_: http://antirez.com/post/short-term-redis-plans.html
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[07:25] <seppo00101> scripting will be shipped by the end this year, and cluster is probably the next big thing
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[09:15] <italic> is there a man page? or just a non-javascript way to view the website command docs? I'm trying to not open a browser
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[09:17] <seppo0010> italic: in redis-cli
[09:17] <seppo0010> you have help <command>
[09:17] <seppo0010> e.g.
[09:17] <seppo0010> redis 127.0.0.1:6379> help lpush
[09:17] <seppo0010> LPUSH key value
[09:17] <seppo0010> summary: Prepend a value to a list
[09:17] <seppo0010> since: 0.07
[09:17] <seppo0010> group: list
[09:17] <italic> i like how the site groups commands by type, can the cli do that?
[09:17] <seppo0010> yeah
[09:17] <seppo0010> help @list
[09:17] <seppo0010> sends a list of all lists commands
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[09:18] <italic> cool thanks. im looking at the site in emacs, and it almost works--expect for the ajax navigation header.
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[09:21] <italic> also, the site has some examples
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[09:49] <jwingy> On the faq, im a little confused by this statement: If your application is already able to perform application-level sharding, it is very advisable to run N instances of Redis 32bit against a big 64 bit Redis box (with more than 4GB of RAM) instead than a single 64 bit instance, as this is much more memory efficient
[09:50] <jwingy> does this mean I should use multiple instances of 32 bit redis on a 64 bit os?
[09:50] <jwingy> instead of one big 64 bit instance of redis
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[10:01] <ptrb> MULTI/EXEC marks a transaction block, but it can still partially-succeed. How can I get all-or-nothing semantics?
[10:03] <killing-joke> i am finding the limits of Redis 2.2.x with our app. i tried 2.4 in a load test environment, and it didn't change.
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[10:04] <killing-joke> the fault is certainly the app, which serializes a lot of data.
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[10:04] <killing-joke> is there a way to scale Redis 2.2 or 2.4 horizontally that doesn't require complete organ transplants in the app?
[10:05] <ptrb> killing-joke: what limits, ops/sec?
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[10:11] <killing-joke> ptrb, i think the problem is related to persistence
[10:11] <ptrb> oof. yeah. then don't do that :)
[10:11] <killing-joke> we cache the results of searches
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[10:11] <ptrb> no reason to persist that stuff (?)
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[10:11] <killing-joke> subsequent lookups are very fast, but then the entire store is written to disk every now and then
[10:12] <killing-joke> i am looking for "another way" :)
[10:12] <ptrb> I'd say don't persist; Redis in memcache-style mode has no need for it
[10:13] <killing-joke> i think that solves at least 60% of the problem, then
[10:15] <killing-joke> it would be nice to issue queries in parallel. is there a strightforward way to send GETs et al to one host:port, and writes to another?
[10:15] <ptrb> App-level sharding only, at this point
[10:15] <killing-joke> i read through the predis docs. it looks ... non-trivial
[10:15] <killing-joke> :)
[10:15] <ptrb> Master/slave may be enough for that use case, though.
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[10:16] <killing-joke> on the backend, yes. but the devs would need to juggle a response object for every connection.
[10:17] <ptrb> Generally, if you need to interact with multiple Redis servers, you need to write and manage the abstraction layer yourself, at the app layer.
[10:18] <killing-joke> ptrb, thanks. maybe i could drink a six-pack of red bull and write an nginx plugin to sort write traffic from other traffic.
[10:19] <ptrb> If you're using Redis to cache search results, there's no getting around it: at some point, the same Redis instance that you read from will need to be written to
[10:19] <jwingy> sorry for the repost:
[10:19] <jwingy> [01:49] <jwingy> On the faq, im a little confused by this statement: If your application is already able to perform application-level sharding, it is very advisable to run N instances of Redis 32bit against a big 64 bit Redis box (with more than 4GB of RAM) instead than a single 64 bit instance, as this is much more memory efficient [01:50] <jwingy> does this mean I should use multiple instances of 32 bit redis on a 64 bit os? [01:50]
[10:19] <killing-joke> yes, you're right. there's a race in there.
[10:19] <ptrb> That's not a race?
[10:20] <killing-joke> ptrb, yes, i see. if i write to the write master and immediately do some reads that expect the data to be stored, i may get a slave that lags a bit
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[10:21] <killing-joke> then i will not get a successful read unless i wait.
[10:21] <ptrb> if (query exists in redis) { results = redis.get(...); return results; } else { results = slow_resource.search(...); async(redis.put(...)); return results; }
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[10:22] <ptrb> The whole point of doing a search cache is that it's total value-add. Any read failure just means you gotta fall back to the slow/reliable resource. No big deal.
[10:23] <killing-joke> ahh. thanks.
[10:24] <killing-joke> jwingy, what kind of objects will you be storing in Redis?
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[10:24] <jwingy> not sure
[10:24] <jwingy> just started learning about it
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[10:25] <jwingy> probably nothing too complicated as im going to use it for session storage
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[10:35] <ptrb> Sorry, I will re-ask again as well:
[10:35] <ptrb> MULTI/EXEC marks a transaction block, but it can still partially-succeed. How can I get all-or-nothing semantics?
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[10:44] <killing-joke> hmmm. "MULTI: Status code reply: always OK."
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[12:26] <protozoa> anyone here use redisco?
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[12:35] <ron> redisco? :)
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[12:56] <devaholic> hiredis for C
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[14:07] <jharley> can someone help me debug what seems to be a bit of a race condition in the redis post-build test suite?
[14:08] <jharley> 50% of the time it runs clean, and the rest it hands at "1 units still in execution"
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[15:39] <poison> hi all, I'm playing around with hiredis and trying to get pub/sub working, but I was wondering if hiredis with the libev async interface supports pub/sub, can somebody verify this?
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[15:40] <devaholic> i think its on github
[15:40] <devaholic> i dont know about async
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[15:44] <poison> well what I see is when I use void handle_redis_message(redisAsyncContext *c, void *r, void *privdata) the (redisReply *)r->str is always null
[15:45] <poison> but when I do some tcpdumping I see that the whole message protocol thing comes over the socket, so maybe hiredis is unable to decode it
[15:45] <poison> or I'm not smart enough, which is probably the case :)
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[17:10] <markm> hello
[17:14] <markm> I was wanting some clarification on an issue. I am implementing a simple chat and I want to divide people into groups and user ids to establish their online status: I wanted to use a key: group_id:user_id whichs points to an online status (that I can set an expiration for) and I wanted to do the following: keys 1:* to find the keys for everyone in the group and then query that subset of keys to determine their status. But the document
[17:15] <markm> command instead. Would using the keys xxx:* approach really be that bad, and if so, how could I efficiently do this in another way?
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[18:29] <queonda> how does redis' pub/sub compare to tools like ActiveMQ when comparing throughput and message volumes?
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[23:36] <Blafasel> Hrmpf. The ServiceStack bindings are blowing up in my face with an 'unexpected response from redis'.. Are those considered stable?
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[23:37] <Blafasel> On the other hand: Are there known gotchas for multi/exec? Something that redis really doesn't like in a sequence like that maybe?
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