#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-11-03 (txt)

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[02:49] <shellox> hi
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[03:37] <dvirsky> shellox: hi
[03:40] <shellox> i try to figure out how to store some session data on the server side with redis ;)
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[03:48] <dvirsky> shellox: if you need help with anything feel free to ask
[03:48] <dvirsky> but best describe what you are storing and how you plan on using it, first
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[04:01] <shellox> dvirsky: i have a file upload for our company, you upload an xml file, then i read it out with xpath and show the content of the xml file in a form. Then you can edit the data in the form and "save it".
[04:01] <shellox> So I generate a new xml file on the server and offer it as download and flush all session data
[04:02] <shellox> I need a temporary storage, I dont want to store the data on the clien side
[04:02] <dvirsky> sounds like a simple key=>string storage, with expriation maybe, is all you need
[04:02] <shellox> not sure how to do it yet
[04:02] <shellox> do i need a counter?
[04:03] <dvirsky> what for?
[04:03] <shellox> because of multiple clients
[04:03] <dvirsky> you need some id for the session
[04:03] <shellox> or this ok
[04:03] <shellox> can you recommend a link how to do this?
[04:04] <dvirsky> this is not so much related to redis, but
[04:04] <dvirsky> just generate a unique id for the session, send it back to the user via cookie or something, and use it as a key to the xml storage
[04:04] <dvirsky> if you're using php
[04:05] <dvirsky> you can override php's session storage method to store session data in redis
[04:07] <shellox> i use ruby
[04:07] <shellox> i know session[:id] = uid
[04:09] <shellox> dvirsky: you mean set key "data" for example?
[04:10] <dvirsky> yes
[04:10] <dvirsky> so that's it
[04:11] <shellox> set mykey firstname:"blah", lastname:"blubb"
[04:11] <dvirsky> if you just want a blob of XML, just use
[04:11] <dvirsky> SET mykey "<?xml....."
[04:11] <dvirsky> if you want complex values (name, email, etc)
[04:11] <dvirsky> the value can be a hash table
[04:12] <dvirsky> so you can do for example
[04:12] <dvirsky> HSET mykey username foo
[04:12] <dvirsky> HSET mykey email foo@bar.com
[04:12] <dvirsky> then you can access individual values inside that table
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[04:12] <shellox> thanks, that's exactly what im looking for
[04:12] <shellox> so i would do GET mykey.username then, no?
[04:14] <dvirsky> either
[04:14] <dvirsky> HGETL mykey username
[04:14] <dvirsky> or...
[04:15] <dvirsky> HGETALL mykey
[04:15] <dvirsky> will return a dictionary of everything
[04:15] <dvirsky> and you can also do HMGET to get a few specific keys
[04:16] <dvirsky> please read all the HASH related commands here:
[04:16] <dvirsky> http://redis.io/commands/HMSET
[04:16] <shellox> cool, thanks
[04:16] <dvirsky> you have a list of all the related commands on the right side
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[04:16] <shellox> sounds easiert then i thought
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[04:16] <shellox> easier*
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[04:21] <shellox> dvirsky: and how to delete a key?
[04:21] <shellox> really just del mykey?
[04:21] <dvirsky> or HDEL for specific hash keys
[04:22] <shellox> so for my purpose only HDEL
[04:23] <paul_uk> hi all, can anyone hazard a guess why node is unable to delete a hash key ? Although it is returning successful, but when I do hkey sessions the entry is still there :/
[04:24] <dvirsky> paul_uk: it is a slave
[04:24] <paul_uk> dvirsky, no
[04:24] <dvirsky> u sure? recheck, it happened to me just 2 days ago, I was sure it wasn't but it was by mistake :)
[04:24] <paul_uk> dvirsky, when I enquire the redis object, it says Master
[04:25] <dvirsky> ok
[04:25] <dvirsky> open the console and run MONITOR, to see what's going on inside
[04:25] <dvirsky> it could be some client caching or something
[04:25] <paul_uk> the entry is initially being created by PHP then modified by node, that wouldn't matter would it?
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[04:27] <dvirsky> it could be many things - wrong trimming or escaping of the keys, etc etc
[04:27] <dvirsky> open a console, run MONITOR and you'll see a sniff of all commands being run
[04:27] <paul_uk> the hdel doesn't show up in monitor
[04:27] <dvirsky> well that explains it!
[04:28] <dvirsky> it goes to a different redis instance probably
[04:28] <paul_uk> there's only 1 running lol
[04:28] <dvirsky> well it doesn't do anything, that's for sure. you see EVERYTHING in monitor
[04:28] <dvirsky> regardless of db selection
[04:29] <dvirsky> so check your node client, configs, ports, etc etc
[04:29] <paul_uk> i've got 2 hdel's occuring tho, but only 1 of them works, extra weirdness
[04:29] <dvirsky> sounds like an issue in your client lib, which I don't know at all
[04:29] <paul_uk> dvirsky, that makes two of us
[04:31] <dvirsky> as a server developer at my workplace, I have a saying: "if it's the client, solve it using NMFP"
[04:31] <dvirsky> NMFP => Not My Fucking Problem
[04:32] <shellox> dvirsky: :P
[04:32] <dvirsky> you can guess the client devs here just love me
[04:33] <paul_uk> lol yeah
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[04:38] <paul_uk> dvirsky, looking at node-redis doc, createclient defaults to port 6379 and localhost, which is what my only redis instance is running on
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[04:39] <dvirsky> db = 0?
[04:40] <paul_uk> how do I check that?
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[09:48] <j0sh> can we subscribe to a channel and still issue commands on the same connection?
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[10:02] <j0sh> w
[10:02] <j0sh> damn vim
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[10:07] <soveran> j0sh: hey
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[10:07] <soveran> j0sh: you can't issue commands on the same connection
[10:08] <soveran> the server will put the client on subscribe mode, and only pub/sub commands will succeed.
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[10:19] <j0sh> soveran: thats what i figured. would be nice to do that, though. i guess the solution is to open up another connection?
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[10:27] <soveran> j0sh: that's the solution, yes
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[10:33] <j0sh> soveran: alright, thanks
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[11:50] <jacqui> hello
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[11:50] <soveran> hey jacqui
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[11:54] <jacqui> soveran: hi! how are you?
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[11:56] <jacqui> I wanted to run something by you guys.
[11:56] <jacqui> I'll say up front that what we're trying to do is a little weird.
[11:56] <jacqui> :)
[11:56] <soveran> go ahead :-)
[11:57] <jacqui> We want to be able to load different data sets into redis as part of a "scenario runner" web app we built
[11:57] <jacqui> the goal is to let designers step through the various states of the data - if it helps, it's for the olympics, so i'm talking about things like...
[11:57] <jacqui> the olympics have started. a basketball game is in halftime. gold medal awarded in hockey. etc.
[11:58] <jacqui> we also want it to be snappy. so what we're doing right now is "caching" the databases (mysql & redis) each time you move through a step
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[11:59] <jacqui> then when you run it again, it just loads the data. otherwise, you have to do some <stuff that takes a little while> to get the db populated.
[11:59] <jacqui> does this make sense?
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[12:00] <jacqui> my question is: we have to stop redis, replace the rdb file, then start redis to get the new data in place. this seems… wrong to me. how can we do this better?
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[12:01] <soveran> jacqui: yes
[12:01] <soveran> jacqui: I would connect to different databases
[12:01] <soveran> load a different dataset in each database
[12:01] <soveran> each database represents a different scenario
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[12:03] <soveran> Redis.connect(url: "redis://localhost:6379/0")
[12:03] <soveran> Redis.connect(url: "redis://localhost:6379/1")
[12:03] <soveran> Redis.connect(url: "redis://localhost:6379/2")
[12:03] <soveran> etc.
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[12:06] <Darrow> Hey there, new to redis, is there any good command line tool for importing large json datasets?
[12:07] <jacqui> soveran: oh interesting. that's a good idea… we'd have to preload them right?
[12:08] <soveran> yes
[12:08] <jacqui> soveran: e.g., scenario #5 data has changed, needs to be reloaded. you'd have to restart redis at that point… right?
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[12:10] <jacqui> argh. I'm not sure how well that would end up scaling. we're going to end up with a lot of scenarios, each with multiple steps. back to the drawing board I go.
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[12:11] <soveran> jacqui: another idea is to run different Redis instances
[12:11] <soveran> instead of connecting to different database numbers, you connect to different ports
[12:12] <soveran> 6379, 6380, 6381...
[12:12] <soveran> on each port, you have a different dataset.
[12:12] <soveran> then you can restart each server independently
[12:16] <jacqui> yeah… we still have so many permutations.
[12:16] <jacqui> thanks for the ideas though.
[12:18] <soveran> jacqui: are the datasets too big?
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[14:30] <bp_> has anyone thought about using redis as a library? that is, shared memory redis?
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[20:25] <jordanash> Harro. Is anyone aware of any effort to get redis to speak UnQL?
[20:27] <cxreg> i believe the verb is cry
[20:27] <cxreg> "cry UnQL"
[20:27] <jordanash> nolikey?
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[20:27] <jordanash> por que?
[20:29] <cxreg> http://thesaurus.com/browse/cry+uncle
[20:30] <jordanash> need a nice standardized way to ask redis questions in a way not scary to the sql people
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[20:31] <cxreg> ...
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[20:32] <jordanash> know of any?
[20:37] <cxreg> no
[20:37] <cxreg> there's this: http://code.google.com/p/alchemydatabase/
[20:39] <jordanash> <3 thank you
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[23:23] <AC_> I'd like the server pubsub behavior to be guided by user requests. So the server wouldn't bother to fetch newsfeeds for Detroit unless someone subscribed to "detroit". is there a way to enumerate channel subscriptions on the server? Or is this something I have to maintain and track in my app?
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