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Let's say years. [03:05:29] I want to track all logins to a web application, so I can run analytics over it. [03:06:16] sure, though that doesn't sound very wise. [03:07:17] sam____ (3d87a5a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.135.165.162) joined #redis. [03:08:18] why is that? [03:09:43] I imagine that over the years you're going to accumulate GBs of data, possibly TBs. holding it all in memory seems like a waste if all you want to do is run analytics over it every now and then. [03:13:13] ron: I understand. But if I do this in MySQL, I will increase a table with 30K rows every day. [03:13:35] of course. use other nosql solutions. [03:14:24] Wombert (~Wombert@dslb-092-075-024-076.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #redis. [03:15:23] redis is great to keep data that you need to access quickly and frequently. personally, I wouldn't use it to access data for analytics purposes. [03:15:31] Wombert (~Wombert@dslb-092-075-024-076.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:15:34] unless those are online analytics. [03:15:45] which then redis would be an awesome solution. [03:15:51] Wombert (~Wombert@dslb-092-075-024-076.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #redis. [03:16:03] Wombert (~Wombert@dslb-092-075-024-076.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:16:21] Wombert (~Wombert@dslb-092-075-024-076.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #redis. [03:16:46] Wombert (~Wombert@dslb-092-075-024-076.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:16:47] I will only need a few times per month, so I guess I need to look for another NoSQL solution or just try and see how MySQL performs. [03:16:54] without knowing which data you want to store, how you need to use it and so on, it's a bit difficult to recommend an alternative solution, but I imagine either mongodb or cassandra will serve you properly. [03:17:00] Maybe 30K rows a day isn't really too much. [03:17:05] Wombert (~Wombert@dslb-092-075-024-076.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #redis. [03:17:23] the problem isn't 30k rows a day. the problem is the size that accumulates. [03:18:11] dvirsky_ (~TheDude@109.64.35.127) joined #redis. [03:19:06] dvirsky (~TheDude@bzq-79-183-30-231.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:19:43] Of course I can archive it. I only care about a few counters right now: users per month per customer. But if a store raw logins, I can always retrieve how many times a users logs in per week. When I archive, the resolution is gone. [03:20:59] not at all. if you archive using a nosql db, you'd still be able to query things, you may just not get an answer in a split of a second, but for your use-case, that may not be an issue. [03:22:06] in my previous workplace, we discovered that our customers are quite okay with offloading old data to files as long as they'll have the ability to load it up in the future to do the relevant research they need, even if it'll take 1-2 days to load the data. it's all about what you need. [03:23:50] bzinger (~bzinger@79.135.102.174) joined #redis. [03:25:16] hmm... I already have a cron that outputs a file with statistics. Maybe I just need a web interface to view that data. [03:25:32] its a bit more lowtech. Might work better. [03:25:59] dvirsky (~TheDude@109.64.35.127) joined #redis. [03:26:26] it's kinda funny that we tend to find that 'regular' file usage is lowtech, though eventually, databases are just a more complicated way to manage files. it's not necessarily a bad thing. [03:26:29] thehodge (~thehodge@cpc5-seac20-2-0-cust310.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:26:30] dvirsky_ (~TheDude@109.64.35.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [03:26:44] I understand why you're wary of it, though. I try to avoid it as well when I can. [03:26:54] thehodge (~thehodge@2001:470:1f09:13a3:490e:6d7e:c237:6a80) joined #redis. [03:30:34] Currently when a users logs in. I update that user's record with a last_login_at value. Then exactly at the end of the month I run a cron to count the users that have logged in. That is written to a CSV-file. Problem is I find myself too lazy to update an Excel to see the trends that are happening. ;-) [03:31:00] I should automate that part too. Maybe Redis isn't the answer to that. [03:31:26] thehodge (~thehodge@2001:470:1f09:13a3:490e:6d7e:c237:6a80) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [03:31:52] again, without going into further details, it'd be difficult to suggest. redis is an awesome solution for many use-cases. [03:33:25] d0k (~d0k@pD9E9FDA9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:33:53] d0k (~d0k@pD9E9FDA9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #redis. [03:35:34] alc (~nek@61.135.165.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [03:36:05] mlangenberg: Do the users have sequential user ID numbers? [03:36:10] yes [03:37:01] If you're just wanting to see which users have logged in for the month, you can use a set. [03:37:10] Or set + list. [03:37:29] If user not in set, add to set and add to list. [03:37:37] Clear it each month. [03:38:11] If there are a lot of users, you could also use a bitfield instead of the set. [03:38:24] Ah, its not that high traffic. [03:38:32] advt (~mehaves@you-just.gotpwned.com) joined #redis. [03:38:42] And then every month archive the results? [03:38:44] Set + list then. The set ensures they are only added to the list once. [03:38:54] Sure. [03:39:05] Right before you clear the current set+list. [03:39:43] That won't help if you want to know the number of times >=1 that the users have logged in in the month. [03:40:17] But for just "logged in at least once", that should work well. [03:44:11] hoodoos (~hoodoos@95-28-100-106.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:46:16] drbobbeaty (~drbobbeat@38.98.137.29) joined #redis. [03:47:52] Actually, you don't even need the list. [03:48:10] Since SMEMBERS will return all the users in the set anyway. [03:48:39] And if you only care about the number of users per month, rather than which users, SCARD will return that. [04:00:19] d0k (~d0k@pD9E9FDA9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: This sleep has gone computing. 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Wondering if someone can tell me offhand (to make sure i don't infer anything incorrectly) [10:33:30] schleppy (~Adium@64.111.160.200) joined #redis. [10:33:47] _jpb (~jpb_@ram94-11-88-187-113-157.fbx.proxad.net) joined #redis. [10:37:11] Nick change: wmoss|away -> wmoss [10:37:58] it would appear to me that call says "what changed? ie...are we dirty?"...if so, let's send it to replication feed slaves...and it would appear it does this prior to sending a reply to client [10:41:06] tilgovi (~randall@75.101.111.78) joined #redis. [10:41:06] tilgovi (~randall@75.101.111.78) left irc: Changing host [10:41:06] tilgovi (~randall@couchdb/developer/tilgovi) joined #redis. [10:41:22] does my question makes sense? [10:48:28] perezd_ (~derek@108-71-92-105.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) joined #redis. [10:49:02] mattbillenstein (~Adium@cpe-75-84-198-75.socal.res.rr.com) joined #redis. 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[13:38:58] foca (~foca@li25-211.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:40:32] foca_ (~foca@li25-211.members.linode.com) joined #redis. [13:41:10] devdazed (~russ_nyc@static-96-239-59-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined #redis. [13:43:08] killing-joke (~irc@boo.st) joined #redis. [13:44:03] i recently ran into a performance limit for our site. checking bugs/issues, i saw lots of references to "100% cpu ... bgsave" [13:44:24] is the best practice to only enable bgsave on a slave in a master-slave pair? [13:45:17] ptrb_ (~peter@archimedes.bourgon.org) joined #redis. [13:45:33] ptrb (~peter@archimedes.bourgon.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:45:56] the iowait during the bgsave on our single instance effectively killed the site [13:48:27] andymccurdy (~andymccur@69.12.160.66) joined #redis. [13:48:51] should i require a master-slave pair for every write destination on our site? 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I want to use it for a network diagram [16:17:40] thehodge (~thehodge@2001:470:1f09:13a3:ed94:c368:fe73:7515) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:18:01] Nick change: NuckOff -> Nuck [16:18:06] thehodge (~thehodge@2001:470:1f09:13a3:ed94:c368:fe73:7515) joined #redis. [16:21:26] rittyan (~rittyan@95-28-230-36.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:22:13] thehodge (~thehodge@2001:470:1f09:13a3:ed94:c368:fe73:7515) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:23:12] axl_ (~axl@75-149-152-225-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Quit: axl_ [16:38:31] apexi200sx1 (~apexi200s@cpc10-salf5-2-0-cust242.10-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left #redis. [16:39:05] yann2: http://redis.io/images/redis-300dpi.png [16:39:16] not svg but good enough IMHO [16:42:10] seppo0010 (~Adium@186.19.19.229) joined #redis. [16:43:58] jtsnow (~jtsnow@174-23-171-31.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: jtsnow [16:44:29] brantley (~Adium@64.134.197.3) joined #redis. [16:46:13] Nick change: wmoss -> wmoss|away [16:47:22] Anybody know a thing or two about replication sync details? [16:47:53] Trying to figure out if a read-only slave will serve from a partially updated dataset during the sync process or will wait until fully synced [16:48:23] gnrfan (~gnrfan@201.230.92.96) joined #redis. [16:53:48] dariusniz: like everything in redis, replication is async. it has 2 stages: [16:54:20] 1. the slave connects and receives data from the server without loading it. during this stage, you can set the slave to optionally serve "stale" data from a previous sync [16:54:40] 2. once 1 is complete, the database locks completely, loading the entire data into memory [16:54:55] only if 2 is successful, you can access the complete data [16:57:27] elcuervo (~elcuervo@r190-64-66-94.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) joined #redis. [16:57:36] awesome [16:57:38] that's perfect [16:57:51] thanks [17:02:30] lstrojny (~lstrojny@ppp-93-104-191-238.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined #redis. [17:02:32] np. btw I meant atomic, not async [17:02:36] I should go to sleep [17:03:16] seppo0010 (~Adium@186.19.19.229) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:03:16] rittyan (~rittyan@95-28-230-36.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #redis. [17:03:30] seppo0010 (~Adium@186.19.19.229) joined #redis. [17:06:54] dariusniz (ada482a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.164.130.166) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:07:43] seppo0010 (~Adium@186.19.19.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:14:55] KevBurnsJr (~KevBurnsJ@50.0.103.39) left irc: [17:17:54] bcardarella (u1539@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yxjrwoyklcmvnygh) joined #redis. [17:18:08] blueadept` (~blueadept@243-36.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:18:13] I can push to a list and pop from a list but is there a command to get the entire list? [17:18:29] LRANGE key 0 -1 [17:18:38] blueadept` (~blueadept@243-36.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #redis. [17:18:52] rittyan: thank-you [17:19:00] welcome [17:26:25] That's so not obvious to new users... [17:26:40] It is obvious if you know how to work with lists in programming language [17:26:45] no offense intended [17:27:04] A bit of attention required, yes [17:27:15] Well that's the thing. [17:27:18] You have to think. [17:27:40] How come you don't want to think while building a system? [17:27:41] :-) [17:27:45] You have to [17:27:49] Cause I have to think about my system. [17:28:02] I'm not criticizing, honestly. I think it forces you to pay attention and that's a good thing. [17:28:11] I don't know, addressing items with negative index is fine by me [17:28:13] I'm just remarking: it's not obvious. [17:28:47] brantley: what's your background? Negative index is absolutely fine in python. Probably somewhere else, too [17:29:02] My background all over :) [17:29:06] But Python primarily. [17:29:10] Same here [17:29:20] so you know that lists are called lists, and that you can slice them both in python and redis [17:29:23] isn't it great :-) [17:29:30] Yep, I love it! [17:29:40] Again, I just mean to say it's so not obvious to users :) [17:29:56] Even I at first expected a sort of redis.lgetall() [17:30:05] I'm not sure it is possible to be a redis user and not to be a programmer [17:30:12] And then had to realize, well of course you can do lrange( 0, -1) [17:30:17] since you store your data with ease of access in mind [17:30:29] Oh yeah. [17:30:35] you don't think about normalization or anythingg else [17:30:51] You are assuming all programmers are competent in that regard :) [17:31:06] I dunno, anyway once you learn it it's simple [17:31:13] just as removing a remote branch in git [17:31:13] Yep. [17:31:25] push nothing over existing branch! Clever and simple idea :-D [17:31:25] Remove a remote branch!? [17:31:27] gnrfan (~gnrfan@201.230.92.96) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [17:31:40] But the only way to discover it is to google it [17:31:43] I have actually never done that, but yeah sounds easy. [17:31:52] luckyruby (~luckyruby@125-187.96-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #redis. [17:32:01] git push local_branch:remote_branch <- you can guess what it's doing [17:32:12] I'm surprised though, the amount of ruby around redis, that it's not more jazzed up with ease of use, tutorials, screencasts etc. [17:32:20] git push :remote_branch <- pushes ... nothing.. over remote_branch [17:32:23] It's almost pythonic in its, here's the api, do with it what you want. [17:32:40] Yep, I have to do that later this week, so thanks :) [17:32:52] Saved you 1 minute of googling :-) [17:32:59] Hehe [17:33:12] Guest60198 (~lux@ppp-137-109.25-151.libero.it) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [17:33:24] What do you work on rittyan? [17:33:38] brantley: uhh... lots of stuff [17:33:46] previously - auth backend for a lot of projects [17:33:58] right now - making deployment in our company rock [17:34:07] Ahh, hard problem. [17:34:09] so no more redis [17:34:16] That's too bad. [17:34:27] Yes, because I was the only maintainer in our company [17:34:48] Can I ask, what sort of stuff you're using for deployment? [17:34:49] Now I have no motivation since I can't dogfood it :-) [17:35:07] Heh [17:35:28] brantley: debs with some friendly debhelpers [17:35:55] but they are still PITA to write initially [17:36:20] Now my task is to make it look like this: you write a config file and deb is done for you automagically [17:36:23] lots of work to be done! [17:36:50] brantley: we have lots of internal libraries and services, so I can make assumptions about environment and stuff [17:36:51] Yes, I can imagine. [17:37:03] and about used technologies [17:37:29] I have been using Fabric, but I'm not sure if I love it or hate it. [17:37:53] Too bad that I cannot brag about my work anymore :-D Since you cannot use it as a user from your web-browser [17:38:03] tjholowaychuk (~tj@S010658b03565e6c6.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Bye! [17:38:18] brantley: fabric works, but not on big scale [17:38:32] Exactly, not on a lot of scales, and parts. [17:38:42] Maybe so. I used fabric to grep remote logs [17:39:03] Personally I find the monitoring of all the things I deployed to be the most important piece, and also the least obvious solution. [17:39:15] We use debs + our own web interface to mass-install debs on clusters [17:39:19] I need to deploy, and make sure it's working. [17:39:31] Yep, sounds right. [17:39:50] Kinda [17:39:50] Especially if you know everything is Debian / Ubuntu / etc. [17:40:12] brantley: requirement is to have one version of package X over all boxes [17:40:25] we also have a lot of stall, zombie projects [17:40:31] projects where managers are asses [17:40:40] and we have a lot of datacenters [17:40:56] So a lot of failure points. [17:40:59] Moving to a new django where fixes in all projects were nearly identical took 3 months [17:41:13] Because it's like a switch, you do it all at once [17:41:28] so all teams have to update their code, make sure it works in our testing environments [17:41:43] then it all goes into production [17:41:44] Can't you use virtualenvs? Not worry about all that? [17:41:46] gregp76 (~gregpendl@65.205.218.114) left irc: Quit: gregp76 [17:41:53] brantley: it will be a hell [17:42:01] pip install -E env -r requirements.txt [17:42:10] Now when somebody has a problem, you can assume what versions of libraries they use, etc [17:42:16] you can say that something is fixed, for sure [17:42:17] luckyruby (~luckyruby@125-187.96-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: luckyruby [17:42:27] Ah, I see. [17:42:51] Now imagine that we have thousands of devs [17:42:57] datacentres in various countries [17:42:58] and stuff [17:43:10] Isn't it *their* responsibility that their project works? [17:43:13] Must resist to allow chaos :-) [17:43:29] brantley: what about orphan projects? [17:43:42] It seems like you have a bigger problem now with that. [17:43:47] What happens when you update to Django 2? [17:43:48] Not really [17:44:01] Your orphan projects are well and truly dead. [17:44:12] I hope so! [17:44:15] If it has its own virtualenv, it will work as designed, as tested, forever. [17:44:20] I hope they will die when django2 comes out :-) [17:44:24] Haha [17:44:43] But as for now we have django 1.3 that will stick for a few years for sure [17:44:58] Django is great because business can be sure about its api and stuff [17:45:07] since people there are backward compatibility freaks [17:45:17] I mean, django core devs [17:45:35] All of your developers will hate you for not supporting 1.4 when it comes out. They will have years of developing on an obsolete version. [17:45:53] They will start just embedding django into their source. [17:46:12] Transition from 1.2 to 1.3 was easy [17:46:16] from 1.1 to 1.2 was easy as well [17:46:44] brantley: when we were updating from 1.2 to 1.3 all we had to do is to configure logging in another way [17:46:48] + some small fixes in few projects [17:46:54] rittyan: thank-you [17:46:57] kenperkins (~textual@174-24-164-49.tukw.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. [17:47:17] brantley: you're welcome [17:47:20] I mean, bcardarella [17:47:24] tilgovi (~randall@couchdb/developer/tilgovi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:47:45] brantley: anyway, having the same versions pays off every day [17:47:52] I think you should talk to Ian Bicking about all this. [17:47:59] johnsanders (~johnsande@209.66.114.6) joined #redis. [17:48:00] He actually embeds all of his requirements into his source. [17:48:15] Fire and forget as far as he's concerned. [17:48:34] But if you're happy, and your devs are happy, then that's what matters. [17:48:44] brantley: well, you know that it all depends on where/how you work. If we had only few projects that would be fine [17:48:48] exactly [17:48:57] :D [17:52:59] Ok, you helped me to kill an hour of my insomnia [17:53:18] Hopefully I will fall asleep, but I doubt it (5am over here, trying to get to sleep for a few hours) [17:54:01] Hehe [17:54:18] dasvidaniya [17:54:19] johnsanders (~johnsande@209.66.114.6) left #redis. [17:54:35] :D dasvidaniya to you too [17:54:48] rittyan (~rittyan@95-28-230-36.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:55:06] andymccurdy (~andymccur@69.12.160.66) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:10:15] Nick change: Nuck -> NuckOff [18:11:58] luckyruby (~luckyruby@125-187.96-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #redis. [18:13:15] devdazed (~russ_nyc@cpe-74-66-233-162.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #redis. 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[21:20:13] http://pauladamsmith.com/articles/redis-under-the-hood.html#loading-config-file [21:20:17] There's CONFIG SET for some stuff. [21:20:44] yes, but I like to version changes made to servers [21:20:46] gnrfan (~gnrfan@201.230.92.96) left irc: Client Quit [21:20:46] p1d_ (~p1d@dslb-088-064-132-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #redis. [21:20:51] versioning commands is hard [21:20:54] gnrfan (~gnrfan@201.230.92.96) joined #redis. [21:20:54] kenperkins (HydraIRC@50-47-18-37.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. [21:21:14] I deploy conf files I mean [21:21:43] Ah, redis can take it's configuration via stdin as well. [21:21:53] Generally nicer when you're dynamically creating the configuration. [21:22:03] kenperkins (HydraIRC@50-47-18-37.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net) joined #redis. 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