#redis on irc.freenode.net 2011-10-31 (txt)

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[00:25] <anildigital_work> Guys..
[00:25] <anildigital_work> for me redis-server does not write any pidfile
[00:25] <anildigital_work> even if I run it as daemonized true
[00:25] <anildigital_work> is it a bug?
[00:25] <anildigital_work> I am using Mac OSX Lion
[00:25] <anildigital_work> halp
[00:27] <mattbillenstein> is there a config option to write a pid file
[00:27] <mattbillenstein> ?
[00:27] <vsmatck> Typically pid files are created by the script launching the program and not the program itself.
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[00:33] <anildigital_work> vsmatck: http://download.redis.io/redis-stable/redis.conf see pidfile support there
[00:33] <anildigital_work> but still redis doesn't write any pid file
[00:34] <vsmatck> anildigital_work: Ah! Thanks for link/correction. I didn't know that was there.
[00:34] <anildigital_work> okay..
[00:34] <anildigital_work> but sad part is that redis is not writing any pidfile for me
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[00:52] <anildigital_work> anyways.. looks like /var/run was not having enough permissions
[00:52] <anildigital_work> fixed that
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[09:41] <schleppy> Quick question. I have the need to keep track of a bunch of booleans, one for each user. Basically this will keep track of a certain action the user has taken. Is it better (performance wise) to store each user boolean in their own key/value. Or should I use a hash and set each user to a key value in that hash?
[09:42] <schleppy> so, set('myuserkey', 1) vs hset('hashkey', 'myuserkey', 1)
[09:43] <soveran> schleppy: a hash would be better
[09:43] <schleppy> ok. Thanks.
[09:44] <schleppy> BTW, zsets are AWESOME!
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[09:44] <ron> well, we've given a lot of thought to them.
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[09:44] <schleppy> That is quite obvious.
[09:45] <ron> of course, I'm kidding, as I have nothing to do with redis's development.
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[09:46] <schleppy> Redis is a very important part of a site that launches in about 1 week that will be incredibly popular. It has been one of the shining stars in our technology stack as far as stability and reliability.
[09:46] <schleppy> so, kudos to all those who *did* work on it :)
[09:47] <ron> hmm.. okay.. give me a free user for the site ;)
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[09:57] <dvirsky> nah, redis is crap
[09:57] <dvirsky> :P
[09:57] <dvirsky> just kidding
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[12:25] <brantley> Running SORT on a sorted set, how do I get them in the order of said sorted set?
[12:27] <dvirsky> brantley: you don't :) SORT doesn't do that
[12:27] <dvirsky> I know it's a bit counter intuitive...
[12:27] <brantley> I was hoping that wouldn't be said.
[12:27] <dvirsky> you need to use ZREVRANGE/ZRANGE
[12:27] <brantley> It's quite counter-intuitive.
[12:28] <dvirsky> and yes, ZRANGE doesn't have the SORT ... GET goodies
[12:28] <brantley> Sigh...
[12:28] <brantley> Right, well there's where I am.
[12:28] <dvirsky> but to quote the powers that be "just use lua scripting"
[12:29] <brantley> Haha
[12:30] <brantley> I'll just do this the hard way.
[12:30] <brantley> I had created quite the elegant system, you see...
[12:30] <dvirsky> the direction that SORT went in is a bit of a bastard child in the redis philosophy I think
[12:30] <brantley> And then imagine my horror when it expressly doesn't work :)
[12:30] <brantley> Yes, it is, definitely.
[12:31] <dvirsky> I think i designed the same system, judging from your disappointment, and yup it sucked :)
[12:31] <brantley> I added a comment to the SORT page...
[12:31] <brantley> Hopefully those that tread this path again will be forewarned.
[12:31] <dvirsky> I also wrote a patch that let you do nested GETs in a sort, providing really robust joins, but it was rejected
[12:32] <brantley> Because it was out of philosophy, because SORT is out of philosophy?
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[12:33] <dvirsky> because SORT is at its maximum complexity
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[12:33] <brantley> Yeah.
[12:34] <dvirsky> it allowed you to do something like "SORT foo GET bar:->{baz:->{foo->bazId}}"
[12:34] <dvirsky> but all that can be achieved with LUA in redis 2.6
[12:34] <brantley> Where can I read more about this LUA in redis 2.6?
[12:35] <brantley> I'm not sure I want to embed LUA into my redis requests… But at least I should read about it.
[12:36] <brantley> Maybe I could write a python -> lua translator.
[12:36] <brantley> Cause why not shave more yaks?
[12:36] <dvirsky> http://redis.io/commands/eval
[12:36] <brantley> Oh, cool, didn't realize thanks.
[12:37] <dvirsky> lua is not that far from python anyway
[12:37] <brantley> Yeah, I'm rather familiar.
[12:38] <brantley> But it's yet another context switch for the brain, which I dislike. Especially for devs that come after me.
[12:39] <brantley> I'm not really thinking of writing a python->lua translator though, just kidding :)
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[13:03] <hoodoos> guys! hello!
[13:04] <ron> no guys. only gals here.
[13:04] <hoodoos> how can I make damn-sweet redis accept more then 1000 connections if I run it from damn redis user?
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[13:04] <hoodoos> if I run it from my own user I can easily connect 5000, 7000 clients
[13:05] <ron> you created a redis user?
[13:05] <hoodoos> hmm, it was created by package I use(deb package)
[13:05] <ron> I see.
[13:06] <hoodoos> i'm just not sure what can actually limit it except for max clients and ulimit -n
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[13:06] <hoodoos> i check ulimit for redis user and my own and it's same 9000
[13:06] <ron> and what happens when you go over 1000?
[13:07] <hoodoos> it uses 100% cpu and can't accept new connections
[13:07] <hoodoos> info command hangs
[13:07] <ron> which version of redis?
[13:08] <hoodoos> Redis server version 2.2.4 (00000000:0)
[13:08] <ron> not sure why you'd want to have so many connections though.
[13:08] <ceej> how come you can't do a wild card delete like DEL key:* ?
[13:08] <hoodoos> well, it's not redis itself I guess, it's some system configuration :(
[13:09] <hoodoos> well, i have like 30 servers connected to it
[13:09] <hoodoos> and 1000 connections is a bit too low for it :(
[13:09] <ron> ceej: because you can't.
[13:09] <hoodoos> ceej, you can only list keys by keys, but it's a debug feature
[13:09] <hoodoos> really
[13:10] <ceej> so you can't do http://www.rustyrazorblade.com/2011/04/redis-wildcard-delete/ anymore ?
[13:10] <ron> hoodoos: even for 30 servers it sounds too much, imho. you may want to try asking in the mailing list regarding the limit you're getting.
[13:10] <ceej> what I'm try to do is I have keys like hub:dev:compiler:css:7988488d98da25dbe6caeff6611c66d8:6f137c9ba05cc17d77b499f83377cc7b
[13:11] <ron> ceej: why can't you do that anymore?
[13:11] <hoodoos> keep list with keys you would want to delete
[13:11] <ceej> I want to delete like hub:dev:compiler:css:7988488d98da25dbe6caeff6611c66d8:*
[13:14] <ceej> do I want to use hset instead of set?
[13:14] <ceej> (sorry, I'm totally new to redis) :)
[13:16] <ron> using hashes could be beneficial.
[13:16] <ron> but it really depends on your data.
[13:17] <ceej> the data is just a true or false
[13:17] <ron> then yeah, hashes could be a great solution for that.
[13:18] <ceej> https://gist.github.com/01ad562b1ac08bd731ce
[13:18] <ceej> is what I ended up doing
[13:18] <hoodoos> ron, damn so pity it's not a common issue :)
[13:18] <ron> hoodoos: what isn't?
[13:18] <hoodoos> well, that issue with files
[13:18] <hoodoos> i found a description of exactly same issue as I have, but it doesn't have a solution
[13:18] <ron> well, I'm sure pietern/antirez/other cool people will answer fast enough on the mailing list.
[13:19] <ceej> ron: does that look right?
[13:19] <ron> I just wouldn't use the package, but that's just me.
[13:19] <ron> ceej: sure, though you may want to reduce the size of the keys, if you can.
[13:19] <ceej> ron: is it slower with bigger keys?
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[13:20] <ron> ceej: I'm not sure it's slower, but it's probably a bit less efficient. probably nothing too drastic.
[13:20] <ron> ceej: if you need the whole prefix to navigate through the keys, so be it.
[13:21] <ceej> ron: I'm just trying to make sure it's unique :)
[13:22] <ron> ceej: right, question is whether you can make it simpler. again, shouldn't be a huge issue.
[13:23] <ron> hoodoos: plus, from what I gather, 2.4 has quite a few improvements over 2.2.
[13:24] <hoodoos> hmm, maybe I should try it out
[13:24] <ron> I don't trust Debian/Ubuntu packages. They tend to be outdated.
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[13:28] <hoodoos> well, i'm trying to find what's wrong with it stuck with it for hour already :)
[13:33] <hoodoos> where can I actually find redis mailing list?
[13:33] <ron> http://redis.io/community
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[20:38] <vsmatck> I wrote a lua script. :)
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[23:09] <kushal> what is the known biggest redis deployment ?
[23:10] <kushal> as in size
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[23:26] <ron> kushal: cluster-wise or memory-wise?
[23:26] <kushal> ron, memory wise
[23:27] <ron> well, I remember people saying they use it on a 64GB machines, could be even more, though I don't remember.
[23:28] <ron> keep in mind that per antirez's recommendation, even if you have lots of memory, you're better off running several 32bit instances rather than one big 64bit instance.
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